Marvel invites you to a Super Marriage
Hello again, fellow comic readers!
This week’s new comic Wednesday pick is Marvel Comics’ “Astonishing X-Men #50,” a book that promises to generate a bit of controversy.
Spoiler alert! If you don’t want to know the “big deal” about this book, stop reading now and skip to the lower part of the post to see the list of books coming out this week.
Marvel Comics’ mutant character Northstar has not often been a headliner. If all you know about the X-Men is what you've seen in movies starring Hugh Jackman, then you likely don’t know him at all.
That changes with this week's “Astonishing X-Men #50” when Northstar takes center stage and prepares to go from one of the first openly gay superheroes in comics to the first married gay hero at Marvel. That's if his paramour and manager Kyle says yes, of course.
Northstar has had a tumultuous history. He starred in “Alpha Flight,” a long-running and well-remembered series for Marvel in the 80s and 90s, but his star fell not long after he came out as a gay man.
At the time his coming out was a huge development, but since then it has been ignored, played up for positive effect or played almost for laughs, such as a brief period where Northstar was retroactively declared to be an actual fairy. (Seriously, this is a storyline in a comic book you can own.)
“Astonishing X-Men #50” is an easy jumping on point for new readers of the line and has the added bonus of featuring Northstar, an X-Men character that I personally think is great.
He promotes AIDS awareness and mental health, two issues dear to his heart thanks to obstacles faced by his adopted daughter and his sister, respectively.
Earlier this year Archie comics had a same-sex wedding in its books that got a lot of press, but this is the first time a superhero is tying the knot.
I asked Marjorie Liu, the writer of this issue, if the controversy surrounding the Archie marriage figured into the storyline of this book.
“This is a love story and not a political statement,” Liu said. “Gay marriage is legal in New York state, and some of the X-Men who live there just happen to be gay. If they want to get married – well, why not? Not everyone will agree or be happy about it (in our book, and in real life), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tackle those stories with passion and empathy for both sides.”
Conor Kilpatrick of iFanboy.com believes the issue is a perfect fit for Marvel: “The X-Men have been, from the beginning, an allegory for civil rights, so it makes sense that in a time when gay rights is such a front-burner issue in American society that Marvel Comics would face it head-on with their X-Men characters.”
Marvel Comics first rose to prominence and popularity in the 1960s by more accurately and relevantly reflecting the issues of the day in its stories compared to its competition, DC Comics, so it's no surprise that in 2012 Marvel is taking on the issue of gay marriage.
Axel Alonso, Editor in Chief of Marvel Comics, agrees that this is a natural story for Marvel to tell.
“Marvel Comics are best when they respond to developments in the real world,” he said. “When gay marriage became legal in New York state, it raised a question: Since most of our heroes reside in that state, how would Northstar, the first openly gay character in comics, respond to this development? Would it change his long-term relationship with his partner, Kyle?”
Of course, this weekend at the KAPOW! comic book convention in England, DC Comics co-publisher Dan Didio announced that it would reveal a long-time character to be gay.
Daniel Dean, of Titan Games and Comics in Smyrna, Georgia, says comic readers should think twice before they get furious about the storyline in this book.
“Obviously the big hook is Northstar's potential status as Marvel's first married gay superhero. But for me this is just a major event in the story of a character I think is pretty neat,” Dean said.
It was about time Marvel revisited the issue of Northstar’s sexuality. The issue in which he came out was a big deal but the subject was pretty well glossed over immediately thereafter. For a long while it was as if nothing had happened.
"You had camps of fans that were pretty ticked about both; that is, there were people upset that Marvel had a gay mutant, but there were a ton of people who were more upset that apart from a big pronouncement he wasn't allowed to be gay in the comics,” Dean said.
Despite any disagreement in the X-Men fandom, “the fact that Marvel is making this happen now matters, and I think we all like to read stories which matter whether we agree with them or not,” he said.
There was a time in comics where some horrible disaster that threatened lives was preferable to a “gay” subplot. Now most comic fans can name at least a good half dozen or more gay characters without even thinking about it. More importantly, these characters usually have compelling stories and reasons to exist apart from being "the gay one," the same stigma that followed the token black member of many comics in the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
Comic fans have seen this kind of relationship blossom before, in Marvel's Wiccan and Hulkling, for example. This, however, represents a whole new line in the sand for Marvel, and it's an accomplishment unto itself. It's indicative of a completely different way of thinking. That's plenty controversial to some people, but perfectly in line with the message of books like the X-Men.
I hope things work out for the character, but, this being comics, few things work out like the heroes hope in the long run. Either way, I'll be reading.
So, until next week, go forth and read, my people. And the reading will be good!
Is there a comic out there that you really love? Let us know in the comments. We’re always looking for tips on good comics!
Here are some of the comics scheduled to hit the shelves on May 23, 2012. Your local retailer will probably have these and others, so make sure to check with them for more details.
MARVEL COMICS
Amazing Spider-Man #686 (Gabriele Dell'Otto Variant Cover), AR
Amazing Spider-Man #686 (Stefano Caselli Regular Cover), $3.99
Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 Behind The Mask SC (Young Readers Novel), $6.99
Astonishing X-Men #50 (Dustin Weaver Regular Cover), $3.99
Astonishing X-Men #50 (John Cassaday Sketch Variant Cover), AR
Astonishing X-Men #50 (John Cassaday Variant Cover), AR
Astonishing X-Men Wedding Invitation Postcard (Promotional Item), AR
Avengers The Many Faces Of Henry Pym TP, $19.99
Captain America #12, $3.99
Captain America And Hawkeye #631, $2.99
Daken Dark Wolverine No More Heroes HC (Premiere Edition), $19.99
Deadpool #55, $2.99
Deadpool MAX Involuntary Armageddon TP, $19.99
Dorothy And The Wizard In Oz #7 (Of 8), $3.99
Fantastic Four #606, $2.99
Hulk #52, $2.99
Hulk Smash Avengers #4 (Of 5), $2.99
Hulk Smash Avengers Collectible Postcard #4 (Promotional Item), AR
Journey Into Mystery #638, $2.99
Marvel Masterworks Atlas Era Journey Into Mystery Volume 4 HC, $64.99
Marvel Masterworks Atlas Era Journey Into Mystery Volume 4 HC (Direct Market Variant Edition Volume 180), $64.99
Marvel Masterworks The Amazing Spider-Man Volume 7 TP, $24.99
Marvel Masterworks The Amazing Spider-Man Volume 7 TP (Direct Market Variant Edition Volume 44), $24.99
Marvel Universe Spider-Man Amazing Fantasy Digest TP, $9.99
Marvel Universe Ultimate Spider-Man #2, $2.99
Marvel Zombies Destroy #2 (Of 5), $3.99
Mighty Thor #14, $3.99
Mighty Thor By Matt Fraction Volume 1 TP, $19.99
Mighty Thor By Matt Fraction Volume 2 HC (Premiere Edition), $24.99
Secret Avengers #27, $3.99
Strikeforce Morituri Volume 3 TP, $34.99
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man Death Of Spider-Man Fallout TP, $19.99
Ultimate Comics X-Men #12, $3.99
Uncanny X-Force Otherworld HC (Premiere Edition), $24.99
Uncanny X-Force Volume 3 The Dark Angel Saga Book 1 TP, $19.99
Venom Circle Of Four HC (Premiere Edition), $29.99
Wolverine And The X-Men #9 (Chris Bachalo 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99
Digital Same Day As Print
Amazing Spider-Man #686
Astonishing X-Men #50
Captain America #12
Captain America And Bucky #631
Deadpool #55
Dorothy And The Wizard Of Oz #7
Fantastic Four #606
Hulk #52
Hulk Smash Avengers #4
Marvel Zombies Destroy #2
Mighty Thor #14
Secret Avengers #27
DC COMICS
Absolute Batman Dark Victory, $99.99
All-Star Western #9 (Night Of The Owls), $3.99
Aquaman #9 (Ivan Reis & Joe Prado Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Aquaman #9 (Ivan Reis & Joe Prado Regular Cover), $2.99
Batman Incorporated #1 (Chris Burnham Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Batman Incorporated #1 (Chris Burnham Regular Cover), $2.99
Batman Incorporated #1 (Combo Pack Edition), $3.99
Batman Incorporated #1 (Frank Quitely Variant Cover), AR
Batman Knightfall Volume 2 Knightquest TP (New Edition), $29.99
Batman The Dark Knight #9 (Night Of The Owls)(David Finch & Richard Friend Regular Cover), $2.99
Batman The Dark Knight #9 (Night Of The Owls)(David Finch & Richard Friend Variant Cover), AR
Dominique Laveau Voodoo Child #3, $2.99
Fables #117, $2.99
Flash #9 (Francis Manapul Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Flash #9 (Francis Manapul Regular Cover), $2.99
Flash #9 (Tony S. Daniel Variant Cover), AR
Fury Of Firestorm The Nuclear Men #9, $2.99
Green Lantern New Guardians #9 (Tyler Kirkham & Batt Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Green Lantern New Guardians #9 (Tyler Kirkham & Batt Regular Cover), $2.99
I Vampire #9, $2.99
Justice League Dark #9, $2.99
MAD Archives Volume 3 HC, $59.99
MAD Vinyl Spy Vs Spy 2-Pack, $49.99
Savage Hawkman #9, $2.99
Showcase Presents Sea Devils Volume 1 TP, $19.99
Stormwatch Volume 1 The Dark Side TP, $14.99
Superman #9 (Ivan Reis & Oclair Albert Regular Cover), $2.99
Superman #9 (Ivan Reis Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Teen Titans #9 (Brett Booth & Norm Rapmund Black & White Variant Cover)(The Culling), AR
Teen Titans #9 (Brett Booth & Norm Rapmund Regular Cover)(The Culling), $2.99
Unwritten #37, $2.99
Voodoo #9, $2.99
Digital Same Day As Print
All Star Western #9
Aquaman #9
Batman Incorporated #1
Batman: The Dark Knight #9
Dominique Laveau: Voodoo Child #3
Fables #117
Flash #9
Green Lantern: New Guardians #9
I, Vampire #9
Justice League Dark #9
Superman #9
Teen Titans #9
The Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men #9
The Savage Hawkman #9
The Unwritten #37
Voodoo #9
Superman Beyond #3
DC Comics Digital Sneak Peeks 5/23/12 #1
IDW PUBLISHING
Cobra #13 (Cover A Antonio Fuso), $3.99
Cobra #13 (Cover B Antonio Fuso), $3.99
Cobra #13 (David Williams Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Cobra #13 (David Williams Variant Cover), AR
Comic Book History Of Comics TP, $21.99
G.I. JOE A Real American Hero Volume 4 TP, $19.99
Godzilla #1 (Art Adams Gatefold Variant Cover), AR
Godzilla #1 (Cover A Art Adams), $3.99
Godzilla #1 (Cover B Tony Harris), $3.99
Godzilla #1 (Ryan Kelly Movie Tribute Variant Cover), AR
Hero Comics 2012 (Cover A J. Scott Campbell), $3.99
Joe Hill's The Cape HC, $24.99
Magic The Gathering #4 (Of 4)(Karl Kopinski Regular Cover), $3.99
Magic The Gathering #4 (Of 4)(Tyler Walpole Variant Cover), AR
Smoke And Mirrors #3 (Of 5)(Cover A Ryan Browne), $3.99
Smoke And Mirrors #3 (Of 5)(Cover B Francesco Francavilla), $3.99
Smoke And Mirrors #3 (Of 5)(Ryan Browne Sketch Variant Cover), AR
Transformers More Than Meets The Eye #5 (Cover A Alex Milne), $3.99
Transformers More Than Meets The Eye #5 (Cover B Nick Roche), $3.99
Transformers More Than Meets The Eye #5 (Marcelo Matere Variant Cover), AR
True Blood #1 (Cover A Tim Bradstreet), $3.99
True Blood #1 (Cover B Photo), $3.99
True Blood #1 (Tim Bradstreet Sketch Variant Cover), AR
IMAGE COMICS
27 Volume 2 Second Set TP, $12.99
Artifacts Origins First Born TP, $19.99
Chew #26, $2.99
Elephantmen #39, $3.99
Foot Soldiers Volume 1 TP, $19.99
Haunt Volume 3 TP, $14.99
Near Death #8, $2.99
Netherworld TP, $19.99
No Place Like Home #4, $2.99
Prophet #25, $2.99
Rebel Blood #3 (Of 4), $3.50
Witchblade #156 (Cover A John Tyler Christopher), $2.99
Witchblade #156 (Cover B Diego Bernard & Fred Benes), $2.99
Xenoholics Volume 1 TP, $14.99
Youngblood #71 (Cover A Rob Liefeld), $2.99
Youngblood #71 (Cover B Ryan Ottley), $2.99
Youngblood #71 (Cover C Chris Giarusso), AR
Digital Same Day As Print
27 (Twenty Seven) Vol.2 Collected Edition
Artifacts Origins First Born Collected Edition
Chew #26
Elephantmen #39
Foot Soldiers Vol.1 Collected Edition
Haunt Vol. 3 Collected Edition
Magdalena #12
Near Death #8
Netherworld Collected Edition
No Place Like Home #4
Prophet #25
Rebel Blood #3 (Of 4)
Xenoholics Vol.1 Collected Edition
Youngblood #71
DARK HORSE COMICS
Adventures Into The Unknown Archives Volume 1 HC, $49.99
Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8 Volume 1 The Long Way Home HC, $29.99
Dark Horse Presents #12 (Dean Motter Variant Cover), AR
Dark Horse Presents #12 (Sam Kieth Regular Cover), $7.99
Doctor Solar Man Of The Atom Volume 2 Revelation Solar Rise TP, $15.99
Guild Fawkes #1 (One Shot)(Emma Rios Variant Cover), AR
Guild Fawkes #1 (One Shot)(Paul Duffield Regular Cover), $3.50
Incredible Adventures Of Dog Mendonça And Pizza Boy TP, $12.99
Mind MGNT #1 (Gilbert Hernandez Variant Cover), AR
Mind MGNT #1 (Matt Kindt Regular Cover), $3.99
Orchid #7, $3.50
Ragemoor #3, $3.50
Resident Alien #1, $3.50
Space Family Robinson Archives Volume 4 HC, $49.99
Star Wars Darth Vader And The Ghost Prison #1 (Of 5)(Dave Wilkins Regular Cover), $3.50
Star Wars Darth Vader And The Ghost Prison #1 (Of 5)(Tsuneo Sanda Variant Cover), AR
Dynamite Entertainment
Green Hornet #25 (Brian Denham Regular Cover), $3.99
Green Hornet #25 (Jonathan Lau Regular Cover), $3.99
Green Hornet #25 (Phil Hester Regular Cover), $3.99
Kevin Smith's The Bionic Man #9 (Alex Ross Regular Cover), $3.99
Kevin Smith's The Bionic Man #9 (Alex Ross Virgin Variant Cover), AR
Kevin Smith's The Bionic Man #9 (Jonathan Lau Variant Cover), AR
Lord Of The Jungle Annual #1, $4.99
Queen Sonja Volume 3 Coming Of Age TP, $19.99
Robert Jordan's The Wheel Of Time The Eye Of The World #25, $3.99
Vampirella #17 (Ale Garza Regular Cover), $3.99
Vampirella #17 (Fabiano Neves Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Vampirella #17 (Fabiano Neves Regular Cover), $3.99
Vampirella #17 (Lucio Parillo Regular Cover), $3.99
Vampirella #17 (Paul Renaud Blood Red Variant Cover), AR
Vampirella #17 (Paul Renaud Regular Cover), $3.99
Warlord Of Mars Dejah Thoris #12 (Fabiano Neves Black & White Variant Cover), AR
Warlord Of Mars Dejah Thoris #12 (Fabiano Neves Regular Cover), $3.99
Warlord Of Mars Dejah Thoris #12 (Paul Renaud Red Variant Cover), AR
Warlord Of Mars Dejah Thoris #12 (Paul Renaud Regular Cover), $3.99
Warlord Of Mars Dejah Thoris #12 (Stephen Segovia Regular Cover), $3.99
Zorro Rides Again Volume 1 Masked Avenger TP, $19.99
Digital Same Day As Print
Bionic Man #9
Green Hornet #25
Lord Of The Jungle Annual #1
Robert Jordan’s Wheel Of Time #25
Vampirella #17
Warlord Of Mars: Dejah Thoris #12
BOOM! Studios
Clive Barker's Hellraiser #14 (Cover A Tim Bradstreet), $3.99
Clive Barker's Hellraiser #14 (Cover B Nick Percival), $3.99
Clive Barker's Hellraiser #14 (Cover C Tim Bradstreet), AR
Elric The Balance Lost #10 (Cover A Francesco Mattina), $3.99
Elric The Balance Lost #10 (Cover B Dan Panosian), $3.99
Elric The Balance Lost #10 (Cover C Francesco Mattina), AR
Irredeemable #37 (Cover A Kalman Andrasofszky), $3.99
Irredeemable #37 (Cover B Matteo Scalera), $3.99
Rich Johnston's Captain American Idol #1 (Josh Covey 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99
Rich Johnston's ScienTHORlogy #1 (Josh Covey 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99
Rich Johnston's The Avengefuls #1 (Josh Covey 2nd Printing Variant Cover)(not verified by Diamond), $3.99
Digital Same Day As Print
Elric #10
Hellraiser #14
Irredeemable #37
Archie Comics
Archie #633, $2.99
Best Of Sonic The Hedgehog HC, $24.99
Jugheads Double Digest #181, $3.99
Stan Lee's Mighty 7 #2 (Alex Saviuk Regular Cover), $2.99
Stan Lee's Mighty 7 #2 (Alex Saviuk Variant Cover), $2.99
Digital Same Day As Print
Archie #633
Jughead Double Digest #181
Stan Lee’s Mighty 7 #2
World of Archie: Game On!
Oni
Holliday GN, $19.99
Digital Same Day As Print
Holliday
Top Cow
Digital Same Day As Print
Witchblade #156
AR = ask your retailer for the price
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No matter how much the gay and lesbian community wants to be front and center and accepted, they never will be in the Lords eyes. Their lives are the reasons why the two cities were destroyed in the old testament. It does not matter what we here on earth believe, it is the Lord that judges us and its the Lord who decides our fates in the end.
Yes, and what a vindictive dictator your god is. Telling a father he has to kill one of his sons to prove his loyalty. It creates imperfect beings then sentences them to a lifetime of torment because it was too incompetent to do the job right in the first.
Your god considers women chattel to men and tells slaves to obey their masters rather than seek freedom.
Hey, by the way, are you wearing cotton and polyester clothes? You better change because your god doesn't want you to do that.
What a horrible life you must lead, genuflecting to such a narcissistic being who treats you like dirt. I couldn't imagine leading a life of subjugation to such a horrible being.
wow another ignorant, bigoted person!! KAS....you clearly show your lack of schooling here......
Explain to me how anything I said is ignorant. Everything I said comes straight from the Bible except the narcissistic part, but obviously any being who says you have to put them first has a real narcissistic streak in them.
A father being told to kill his son to prove his loyalty, Geneis 22:5 The reason for this, to prove that Abraham feared god. Nice, real nice.
Creating imperfect beings and having them live a lifetime of torment, Rom 5:12-2. So god screws up and we have to pay the price. Hey, that sounds like what Wall Street does!
Women as chattel, Genesis 3:16, Exodus 21:7-11 and Numbers 30. While we're at it, women had a monetary value of 50 to 60 percent of men, Leviticus 27:3-7 and were never to teach or have authority over men, 1 Timothy 2:11, 12.
Slaves obeying masters rather than seeking freedom, 1 Peter 2:18:25, Colossians 3:22 and Ephesians 6:5. Why should they obey their masters, even unreasonable ones (1 Peter 2:18)? Because your suffering pleases god. Gee, thanks. I'm sure the slaves were happy when they were being whipped because god favored them for enduring their torment rather than seeking freedom.
Wearing clothes of two different materials? Deuteronomy 22:11 and Leviticus 19:19.
So again, tell me where I went wrong? Are these things not written in the bible? Is this not what your god said, and which you have to follow? Or are you going to pick and choose what to follow because I don't think your god would like that.
By the way, do you have kids? If so, have they ever disobeyed you? You might want to take them to your town elders and have them stoned to death, Deuteronomy 21:18-2, especially if they've been a drunkard.
Wow...you put one foot and then grab the other foot and stick in too......You commenting on the bible worse than reading graffiti on a bathroom wall.....the bathroom wall might make more sense
Kas – have eaten at Giovannis Restaurant in my home town? Didn't thinks so.....so how would you be able to write about it then?? You wouldn't be able to. Same with our God....He is the best place in town, like no other.....and if you have not walked in a close relationship with Him – how could make these comments like you have some experience or knowledge???
please look up the passages Kas quoted... you might not be able to review a restraint you have not been to but you can all ways look at the menus and READ others reviews, those passages are in your good book you as modern Christians chose to ignore them.
Hey you are preaching to the choir here.....we know the scriptures well....don't need to look them up (aaahhh..) . It is you Magnus who needs to read the bible – then you will be able to quote it and discuss it with understanding....You might get some mileage with people like yourself who do not know anything about the bible.....and just read gay comics....but we know the bible and the context/history of each passage – so do historians and theologins worldwide....
Kas....what I love about messages like yours and most of the other God haters is how you write about Him like He is real. You state He is not real....then say all the bad stuff He does....it's soooo funny to read. I love it...the main thing is we agree He is real right?
What a hateful, judgemental and ignorant bunch of folks you are. I feel sorry for you. You defend your hate as representatives of God, when in reality, you are acting against God. The Bible was not written by God, jesus or any other deity. Written by men to reflect the moral teachings of that day and age. Most of the bible has been incorrectly interpreted, giving hate mongers fodder for their ignorant hateful diatribes. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Wow Kelly – that was deep!! Trashing our faith does not make it not so......Tell me why do you think that lawyers, judges, scientists, teachers, astrophyicists, and much more are in fact christians......you clearly show by your writing that you do not have a clue about history
lawyers, judges, etc are also jewish.
lawyers, judges, etc are also muslim
what is your point?
Forgot Sam has to have everything explained....the point is that Miss Kelly describes christians like they can barely write....some the most intelligent people alive today in this world are christians.....
Have to agree SKW....
where? i can under stand where kelly gets the idea that the bible has been miss interpreted, as the king james version was and interpretation of the saint Gregories version which was a interpretation of the Latin version, which in turn was an interpretation of the Hebrew version, which in turn was an interpretation of the Aramaic version which were in turn interpretation of old men telling stories thousands and thousands of years ago. words used in these original stories don't even have English equivalents.
Magnus....its like you are reading from some nonbeliever script.....no weight to anything you are saying. Can you read ancient Hebrew? Have you been to Israel? Your and Kellys comments are baseless.....and it would be exausting to write out all that both of you don't know or understand. On many of these pages we have had scholars who are not christians – but have validated the bible and the history behind it – have even admitted that Jesus walked the earth...but they do not agree that He is God....or savior (I know He is).......your comments are baseless one liners – "people wrote it, sooo um we don't agree with it..." Sleep well....hugging your comic book
If what U say is true WERGF then why did GOD make such people? Some Bible beaters say GOD loves everyone, but then turns around that says HE hates Gays? Sounds Like a Hypocrite to me. GAY people arent going anywhere and as much as U "Church People" act so Superior, U R not!!! I Guess your parents neve taught you to love others NO MATTER WHAT THEY R. it's just sad!!
“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
Ezekial 16:49.
Did you even read it?
No matter how much the Christian Fundamentalists want people to think they represent a message of love, everyone can see that it is a lie and that really all they have to offer is a message of hatred and intolerance. And when they die and there is no Heaven and no reward for living their life of selfishness and small-mindedness as commanded by their power and money hungry Churches, it's really just a damn shame.
Evil is SO clever. Abortion, Gay, Lesbian, euthanasia, selfishness, all things that have gone main stream in the media. Evil is smart, cunning, and knows how to work its way into our lives and make us think its okay to do the exact things that God has told us not to.
Evil is clever. He has you doing his leg work.
like eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, working on the sabbath, not stoning disobedient children?
Sam did you take your meds already..? Getting foggy
Kivsev...some people just don't want there to be a God...they will argue forever because if God were real they would have to change their lives.
Supersmart....that is just well.....SUPERSMART!!
I'm an atheist and I'm trying to imagine what I would have to change about my life if God unveiled himself as real. Other than going to Church and the blasphemy that being an atheist entails, I can't think of anything. It's not like I'm out there breaking Commandments for breakfast. I'm an honest, friendly, law-abiding citizen. I don't really "benefit" from not believing in God, I just don't believe in him.
Evil is clever? Or the Church is clever in maintaining its power by calling out evils? Remember the Salem Witch Trials? Whether or not there were any witches there there sure was evil being done in the name of good.
Gays and lesbians are living evil lives. Lives that God has destroyed in the bible in the old testament. It will never be an accepted way of life to the Lord no matter how main stream the gay and lesbian way of life is here on earth.
Purporting to speak for god is blasphemy
uposv: evil lives? you are a bigot.
The Church is just a scam that preys on human weakness like guilt and fear of death. Marriage is big business for the Church and they want a monopoly on it – they will pull out all the stops telling their congregations that they and only they can define what marriage is and that God will smite us if we don't do what they say. Will the religious sell out their fellow man and deny him the right to marry who he chooses, deny him the right to his own destiny out of guilt and fear of death? Many will but I think in the long run goodness will win and there are enough true "heroes" who will fight for their fellow man.
Speechless...John....what you don't know is alot. Do you think the christians that are rotting in jails for their faith around the world are there because of some silly idea of God in their head?? Jesus was a controvertial figure when He was here and still is, He just won't go away. People still want Him dead, but he is not ,
Wow – I want to give you a hug......you sound depressed, cynical, maybe from a divorced family and possibly gay....not in a committed relationship right now...? How did I do?
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It's A SHAME That Children Can't Be Children Anymore These Days?!?! Could someone please explain to me what this matter have to do with comics?!?! If they have had a marriage storyline before, then I could see where they coming from, but they haven't! It's like the editors want to shove down their political views down the public's throats...and that's not fair to the consumers or their children! I couldn't agree with Greentea (who posted earlier) more. Where's the balance in educating our children correctly and not corruptly??? And yes it's corruptly because it's only one-sided! Certainly, everyone should have rights which should includes that everyone has a right to raise their children as they feel it's right. It's all about the well-being of the children–and the Marvel Comics publication already knows that...That's why they created such political matter disguised as public awareness (Oh, give me a break!!!!)
Children have not been children for decades now.
you are being forced to read this how?
Sam take the fuzz out of your brain!! The whole world in being being marinated in this crap right now – so YES it is affecting our children
lemon: take the log out of your own eye. could you be a bit more specific about how it is affecting children, other than perhaps making them question your bigotry?
I have seen this answered to you on many pages now and also on other blogs.......YOU DON'T LISTEN – NOT GOING TO WRITE IT OUT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! Not to mention that the answer is fairly obvious – not brain surgery
I love how art and entertainment are always the first places where fruits are portrayed.........rotton fruit.
How about all the children that have been hearing years and years of dogma in sermons in Church since they were old enough to go there? I think your real issue is not that children may be exposed to an opinion on controversial subjects at an early age – it's that they'll be exposed to an opinion other than your own.
Oh God save us from this evil
Okay, everyone relax. It's a comic book. Quit your whining.
The only reason this comic has come to the surface is due to all the political non-sense about gay rights floating around out there now. People will do as they want, regardless of the overall outcome. The more pressure put on a single subject will only fuel it further.
I neither support gay rights nor do I oppose it.
yesssssssssss!
Evil in its finest form. You have to admire evil. It has a way of making people believe its okay to do something that God has told us is not okay. Abortion, Gay, Lesbian life, euthanasia, selfishness, you name it. This has all gone mainstream in recent years. Evil is so cleaver.
kivsev: you seem to be confusing god with ancient sheep mounters
I suppose gay people need their superheroes too. It's all make believe anyway.
Freedom will always be uncomfortable to witness for those who have no use for it.
gay is wrong period. it is not and will be justifiable to Jesus on the last day. sorry folks it's just the way it is.
Based on what information? Jesus himself never said anything for or against it.
Jesus didn't have to.....He spoke about true marriage between a man and a woman.....He does not mention gay unions – because they do not define family or marriage
Speaking for Jesus, ogre? Pompous twit
Ogre, I'm assuming that your first sentence is a quote from another poster and the rest of the post is your response to it. While I don't believe in Jesus, the little I know about the guy supports what you're saying. Glad to see there are sensible Christians on this board.
Love all those who are so holly and suport the church. oh thats correct they (priest) never touched those little boys... its was all in thoses little head's Poor looers....
Jesus said to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Denying others the right to marry whom they want is unjustifiable and will be unjustifiable to Jesus on the Last Day, if there is such a thing.
You know they must be desperate if they are doing something as disgusting as this...
Or they just decided that the huge piles of money they are sleeping on aren't huge enough.
sick! not in a good way.
I'm shocked and appalled by companies trying to promote this image of gay being OK. What's next, gay cartoons? A gay Smokey the Bear or what about gay Barbie? If you want to be gay that's your business, and I don't dislike gay people, but please don't display gays in media that my kids might get their hands on. It'll only add to their confusion. They need to learn what that is about on their own time, not by some comic publisher or cartoon pushing the idea on them. For most parents, it's a negative image, in fact it is the opposite of what parents project.
I'm shocked and appalled by companies trying to promote this image of straight being OK. What's next, straight rainbows? A straight Ellen Degeneres or what about a straight GI Joe? If you want to be straight that's your business, and I don't dislike straight people, but please don't display straights in media that my kids might get their hands on. It'll only add to their confusion. They need to learn what that is about on their own time, not by some comic publisher or cartoon pushing the idea on them. For most parents, it's a negative image, in fact it is the opposite of what parents project.
Wait, all the GIJoes are gay?
I agree with Groo and not you.
What makes gay not okay? The fact that it creeps you out? Cartoons have been kinda gay for a while. Bugs Bunny is a ramapant transvesite. Ren and Stimpy shared a bed in 1991. I think Yogi and Boo-boo shared a bed way before that. And are you saying that a gay Smokey the Bear woudn't be able to raise awareness of forest fires as well as his straight counterpart? And are you denying that the idea of a gay Barbie is at least kinda hot? I'm happy to hear that you've given the rest of the world permission to be gay and you think gays are swell, but if you're worried about your kids getting your hands on gay friendly media, you should be working harder to instill your values on your children to the point where a comic book won't affect their opinions. And are you sure your kids are confused? As a parent in this era, you'd better be prepared for your kid to be exposed to this stuff, because it's happening in the world around them whether it's printed in a comic or not. And just because you are "a" parent, it's presumptuous to assume that you speak for all parents, or even the majority of parents.
Have you seen the level of violence in comic books? Why aren't you concerned about that?
What's the matter, Groo? Do you fear your kids will read the comments and decide to be gay?
comments = comics
This is pretty much CYA for Marvel. Notice one of the men is of color as well. If they don't get on board with someone gay, even a "who cares" hero, then they get bad press. If they make an "A-Lister" gay, then some people will stop buying the comics, because if your favorite hero, that you want to be turns out to be gay, and you're not, then you will likely lose any interest in that hero and not buy that comic anymore. Comics are about money. Individual writers will try and make their statements in the stories, but the companies (Marvel and DC at least) are in it for the money and not for anything else.
Scott, it seems like you are one of the few people on this forum that sees this for what it really is – a money making scheme. I agree with you that if an A-lister came out as gay, there may be some short-term backlash from the straight readers. But I don't think this was a CYA move. Most comic readers are straight males who probably don't care about gay rights. What would Marvel have to lose if there was no gay wedding? And what does race have to do with anything? I'm in an interracial relationship, and I don't feel as though we're pushing any boundaries that weren't eliminated in the 60's.
Yah Phil found someone to agree with him....!!!! hurray
Well... my wife is 34 and we are expecting our first child to be born into sin in the coming months.. Now, he will never know the pleasure of reading comics and collecting them to trade with friends... No.. not one...
Because of this? Or because comic books are going digital? If the former, I feel for your child to come up in such a sheltered household
That's your right as a consumer. Bummer for your kid, though.
Born into sin? Lol. Go ahead and believe whatever your Church tells you.
It's pure art imitating life imitating art that all this fury is happening in an X-Men comic. A Marvel, indeed.
I wonder what influenced Marvel to do that? Do you guys have an answer to that?
satan...
It's highly unlikely that Satan exists. If he did exist, I'm guessing that he'd be more concerned with perpetuating the true sources of man's downfall. Wars, hunger, pollution, hatred, that kind of thing. I doubt he'd be concerned with the contents of a comic book.
"The best trick Satan ever pulled off was convincing mankind he didn't exist..."
If you did any real research, you would realize that the worlds problems are largely influenced by Satan. But, you don't care, and probably don't want to know the truth, so you stay blind and ignorant.
Point me to the irrefutable evidence that an angel fell from heaven and is making men marry each other. Just because someone said it, then you put it in quotes in a CNN forum, don't make it so, chief.
I just think it was just a logical extension of the stories they've been telling. A few years ago the X-Men moved to/found haven in San Francisco where they were accepted as different and they've been subtly paralleling the mutant rights/gay rights movements for some time now.
Remember that comic book where Dr. Bin Laden took on the evil capitalists? Oh, wait, that was CNN. Political re-reducation has never been more fun!
Remember when that commie democrat liberal limp wristed President actually gave the order to kill Bin Laden?
IT"S TIME TO BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is needed to knock a little sense into Marvel, Ted?
Maybe this is what is needed to knock a little sense into Marvel
Great, let's spread more poison to the kids.... Lost a lot of respect for Marvel...
It seems that everyone's got to get on board with Obama. Marvel just wants to cover this gay issue with an irrelevant character so they can get it out of the way and move along. Every major entertainment industry has to go along to get along otherwise they are labeled as being hatemongers and bigots.
Thats right Tom....its called Control that looks like freedom....pretty sneaky
Tom discuss this with your pedophile pastor, your cousin wife, and your alcoholic family members...see, it's easy to judge...EVOLVE
Pedophile Pastor? Inbreed and alcoholic family members?
Just because YOUR family incorporates all of these unfortunate things does not mean that everyone else's family does. Try to remember that
Poison because you don't agree with it? Marvel wasn't shooting for keeping your respect by doing this.
Then who's respect are they after? Marvel knows it's all a joke, but like Tom says, they are merely going along to get along. They are forced to address this gay issue at some point like it was an albatross, whether they like it or not. It's better just to sacrifice some lesser know slob character(Northstar?) and be done with it. Everyone, including Marvel, has to pretend that they are on board just to shut people up
They aren't after anyone's respect. They're after everyone's money. As for them being pressured into it, I don't think the majority of their paying customers were beating down Marvel's doors demanding a gay marriage. This is a ploy to get new readers on board. They'll alienate some of their regular customers, but comic fans will get over it and start buying the books in a few weeks.
Phil must work for marvel everyone...seems to know what they are thinkin.....there is a story about why marvel chose to do this – and it is not in any of your writing
I'd love to hear your theory. What else are they trying to do besides make money?
Exactly. This foolishness & hostility towards people who oppose this lifestyle would stop if we boycotted companies and the media who infringed on our rights to disagree by attempting to force there opinion & silence our voice.
That might work, but the vast majority of people wouldn't be willing to do that. In this example, a boycotter would miss out on the summer's biggest movie, have to explain to their kids why they refuse to buy them any Disney crap, not watch any shows on ABC, and get their highlights from somewhere besides Sports Center. In other words, more than most consumers are willing to do.
That should be THEIR opinion you moron.
the foolishness is with those who bloviate on about it being a lifestyle
I am not sure what to say about this, but I do agree with Phil.
Why would Marvel do such a thing anyway?
Why does any media outlet do anything? To get people talking. To make a little cash. To reflect the state of the world.
To try and brainwash the next generation....so it will be easier to change some laws, and end free speech...just cool stuff like that.....Phil quit while you are ahead.....your not informed enough for this debate
By all means, please inform me. How does Marvel putting a gay wedding in a comic book lead to the end of free speech?
Why would they do such a thing? To stay ahead of the game so that they don't have to be bothered with addressing "The Gay Question" later. This way, Marvel is instead hailed as being "Brave", "Bold"', "Revolutionary", "Groundbreaking", and other such nonsense and drivel.
Perhaps nonsense and drivel to you, but important issues to some people who currently can't name five X-men. It's all about getting a new crop of people to shell out cash for comics.
Marvel is doing this because they can dear Dr. And it gets people talking about it...
It's rather funny that Marvel would chose to use a complete unknown like "Northstar" to be gay(Who?). It's not as if Marvel would degrade any of their frontline Superheroes in this way. LMAO
Of course they wouldn't have a big name come out. Too much money at stake. On the other hand, if they think they could turn a buck by having an A-lister come out, you'd better believe they'd do it. HULK DECORATE!
He's been gay for sometime... So its not really news.... Just the marriage bit, that is new.
Maybe the decided to use him because he has been know to gay for more than a decade? He is pretty much the X-men first gay character I think.
How absolutely wonderful, now comic books have agendas.
They always have. Making money.
By the way, these so called men of God use their pulpit to push their "agenda" every Sunday.
X-Men has always been a metaphor for human rights for minorities. Even as far back as its inception in the 60s. It's not like they suddenly and out of nowhere developed an agenda.
As a supporter of civil rights, I think it's kinda cool that Marvel is bold enough to make this move. As a long-time X-men fan, I'd rather see a throwdown with Magneto or Apocalypse than a sappy wedding story. Still, I can't imagine that all the characters are gonna be cool with a gay wedding. It might be interesting to see the discenting opinions. I'm pretty sure that any characters that don't support the idea will be much more eloquent than the haters on this board. Seriously, most X-men readers are at least 15 years old. Old enough to look at a controversial situation in a comic and form their own opinions on it. If it really makes you that uncomfortable, vote with your wallet and don't buy any Marvel products. Life will go on.
You call this move bold? It is merely status quo nowadays to introduce such things. In this day and age it is virtually risk free for Marvel to promote such nonsense. Even Obama is doing it
Sure I call it bold. The majority of comic readers are straight men. A lot of straight guys get creeped out by gay marriage. They're risking alienating a good portion of their fan base. It could also cause a lot of parents to forbid kids to read Marvel comics. This could cost them a lot of cash. On the other hand, it's got a lot of people talking. They could just as easily make a bunch of money.
So in other words, it's a no risk move. Everyone knows very few people are going to boycott Mavel over this so it wasn't much of a gamble on Marvel's part. Everyone just chalks it up to being "the sign of the times", which has further been enforced by Obama's spineless endorsement. Sadly, this corruptive act of desensitizing the masses is slowly working.
No. In other words, it WAS a risky move. Neither you, I, nor anyone else can predict what kind of effect this will have on Marvel's sales in the short term. As for the rest of your post, if you remove the words "spineless", "sadly", and "corruptive", you and I are in total agreement.
A lot of grown men that read comics are creepy themselves...
You won't hear me refute that arguement, Paul.
I agree it's a bold move, if only because there are so many bigots out there (as evidenced here). Note that DC (in announcing that one of there long-time ambiguous characters would come out as gay) was not very bold – in that coming out as gay is so 15 years ago. And in fact, 15 years ago was when Northstar came out as gay. The controversial issue today is gay marriage – and so it's bold to take a stand on that, which Marvel is doing. DC is afraid to do that.
Don't you mean snivel rights...
Weak joke.
no joke.....get over yourself
I agree with you Phil.
I think they should have him marry hi favorite sheep!
What a stupid comment – so all gay people are into beastiality? ridiculous
Of course, they get that reputation from doing it with each other. DUH!!
THIS IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!
Nonsense in a comic book!? Stop the presses!
I hope that doesn't happen to Spiderman. After all, he already has a girlfriend.
Weren't Beast and Colossus gay at one point (or maybe they still are – – hard to tell with all the iterations and authors)? I think Marvel made the right move by having Northstar come out and now get married because this is what X-Men are all about.
I seem to recall Colossus. But not sure about Beast. Its been a while since I read the New Mutants/X-Men.
The Beast just told reporters he was gay to cause a stir. Colossus wasn't gay, he was scromping Kitty Pride.
They chose Northstar to be gay because he is an inconsequential character that no one is even aware of. It's not like Marvel would degrade one of their frontline superheroes in this way.
I have to agree with you that Marvel kind of copped out by choosing a 4th stringer character no one has ever heard of – – if they really wanted to make a statement they would've picked a major character that everyone knows. Rumor is that DC has plans to reveal one of their major characters is gay. I doubt that it will be one of the Big Three.
Northstar has been gay for a while since the 90's. I'll give you that yes he is a second stringer, though.
To celebrate the joining of two men in comic book form, I had se x with a dead dog last night.
was it good for you?
Ohh so that explains why you are the way you are...
Of all the stupid perverted things to do...phaggots in the comic's...yep it is a joke alright...a real sick liberal phaggot joke...stupid bong hole bleeders.
wow. such insight. let me guess, captain of the debate team?
Yep, that's right. Let me guess, you were captain of the glee club? LOL
Should we ban all of the minority characters too? After all, we don't want to "offend" anyone. It would be wrong to accommodate the bigots and not the racists too.
Excellent point. They should ban all the C O O N S from Marvel as well. That goes double for the gay ones. Happy now?
So did everyone just come here specifically to fight? Or did the vitriol just fall out of the sky?
you are right. it is sad. so many fear based comments including my own....everyone is afraid – and does not know what to do....this blog would be a great study for someone. the truth for me is that I have truly appreciated and loved many of the gay people that have been around my life...for the people they are...just like anyone else. Did they want to come to church with me – no....Did I want to hang out full time with them – no. People are amazing....just cannot believe what some have overcome in their lives – me included. But here it is – I am afraid in the politcal arena. I could be at a dinner party with all kinds of people having the best time, don't give a rip. The next day we could all be protesting on opposite sides of the fence. The truth is – this is not personal.......but there are future laws/actions if you wiill – that will divide us – not bring us together .Don't know how this will unravel.....but to the gay community I want you to know....we don't hate you – we just need the freedom to not agree
Well said....you summed it up completely!!
Green, you could replace "gay" with "colored" and fit right into the 1950s.
You already have the freedom not to agree. What you don't have is the right to disagree without people jumping all over your arguement.
Thanks Phil that was enlightening!! They are trying to have the bible declared hate literature and make it illegal for a church to choose not to marry a gay couple.....read your gay newsletters.....oh and lets not forget removing the age of consent!! The problem with alot of the liberalists on this page – is you do not have a cotton pickin idea what is going on with the gay combat squad politically.....it would really help if ya'll would do some homework
I'm glad that you found it enlightening, Tami. And you are correct. I don't know all the goals of gay activists. If what you're saying is true and they are doing what you say, then there are three points that I disagree with them on.
The posts here took me by surprise. I honestly didn't consider a gay marriage between two characters that big of a deal. Comics have been having gay characters for quite some time.
Really? Marvel Superheroes? Like who?
Fuyuko – Do you have any children?? You do not understand our world nor do we understand yours. THis blog is for everyones reaction to this comic – not a gay comic swap. This is not personally about you.....or meant to hurt you – but you guys do not see how you are infringing your lifestyle on our children. Would it be ok if I distributed comics to all of the schools showing the twelve diciples teaching on why marriage is only for a man and a woman?? Have you ever seen someone get in between a bear and her young?? I do not believe our children should have to digest this – when the adults cannot even come to any type of agreement.....how confusing. We get this and much more crammed down our throats and if we say anything we are bullying??? "Ok Rosie O Donnell give your children for a few hours and I want to talk with them about Jesus – ok – then i want to introduce them to some new comics....now Rosie don't interfere or I will report you for bullying!!" Only in America!!!!!
Greentea why can't anyone get this point, it's been said so many ways, why don't people get it? Can we not be diverse and get along?
Not when it is this vile and diverse. This does not even qualify as a lifestyle
Can you not see that nobody is forcing this on your children? This is not taught in schools. It's purchased at a comic book store. If you don't want your children reading it because it goes against your beliefs, then don't buy it for them.
(Even if they did see it at a friend's house it wouldn't turn them gay, sheesh. They might just come home and ask you about it, at which point you can have a talk with them about your family's beliefs.)
What country are you from ???? They are trying in Canada and the States to put this teaching in elementary schools....pull you r head out of the sand
Are you saying that there is no such thing as religious comics? Because I can assure you, they exist. No one is forcing your kids to read these things. As parents, you can forbid it and see where that gets you.
Greentea, I'm simply a fan of Northstar .. I'm not gay. I like the character, and have since he was introduced many years back. He is an interesting character and a strong advocate for rights, aids awareness and mental health concerns. I'm not sure what you expect here, since the article is about gay character getting married except discussion of gay characters in comics.
Northstar is an expendable and little known "so called" Superhero. They chose him to be gay because they knew it would only upset about 3 of his 5 total fans. Let me guess, you must be one of those five fans who approve of him.
I suspect if this were two FEMALE superheros getting married the fan community would be heading out to buy this in droves. Just wait. Other books will follow suit.
You suspect wrong. No one wants to be grossed out by two females either.....just so know about the rest of us out there....we don't think its more ok with two women
'Grossed out' ? lol. Dont read the comic if you find it 'icky'.
Grossed out? Two females? Are you daft?
"Grossed out"? There are those who feel the same way when they see a person of color with a white person. You have every right to be "grossed out", but do not have the right to force your minority beliefs on others.
I would love to be grossed out by two women.
I haven't read alpha flight in years, but I always liked North Star.. Because he is gay and cool-looking Its nice to see he gets married. I will try to find this comic. Really gay characters is really nothing new. Elfquest has done this for years now, and many other books besides.
Oh isn't that just precious....you know about all of the other sick material – that none of us have never even heard of.....thanks Fuyuko....
Is there a reason your post is so hostile and bullying? I have done nothing to deserve this level of mocking or scorn.
Marvel has never offended their readers with gay characters before this, so you are wrong
Marvel isn't the only publisher out there, and if you re-read my post, I stated comics, not specifically marvel.
In rereading this, I realize I said "Many book" and probably should have said a few instead.
Give me and erection so much stupid people , and make it so simple to go and f..... all hahahahahaha bunch of retard idiots all of you for even bother to take time to coment on this, sick a doctor you all mental for your sirius personality problem that have touch your emotional fiver . AND DONT READ THE MARVEL COMIC IF YOU THINK IT WILL CHANGE YOUR PERSONALITY, do you all get it , that you worrie beacouse you are weak and can control your gay impulses, come out and play hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You're the gay Q U E E R who just married Northstar, aren't you?
I love how the manboys who read comics are calling gays disgusting. Have you seen the people who read comics? I have. How are the obesity and anime t-shirts working out for you? Those who live in glass houses...
Dr Sarcasmo has a degree in comic book reading....this is important data he is sharing
Hey now!!! I'm a married father of two and a police officer that keeps in shape and I love comics!!! That being said, I have no problem with what Marvel is doing. In fact, I think its great. I don't want my kids growing up to be bigots.
The funniest thing about all the equal rights/gay rights/gay marriage debate and media exposure is that this wasn't as big of an issue for the GLBT community UNTIL the religious right started lobbying to change state and federal law to prevent what they think of as an abomination. It is not just the 'gays' that are pushing their agenda but also the right wingers that are pushing their anti-gay agenda. Both sides are causing the media frenzy.
In any case, I don't understand how religion plays into this...separation of state, etc. Equal rights means just that: everyone should have equal rights as long as they don't infringe on others' liberties (and just b/c some people don't 'like' what others are doing in their personal lives, its not infringing on their liberties). I hardly think that two consenting adults (GLBT) wanting the same rights and protections as two other consenting adults (non-GLBT) should be an issue in today's society.
Is it an equal rights to put this in a comic book for kids? Wouldn't that be called dirty fighting if it were a boxing match? If it all just stopped at a tax break, it might be different, but it's more than that.
Yes, it is the right of the writers to follow the story line they desire. As it is the right of those who disagree, to say they do not like it (or that gays are freaks, vile, and many other unkind things others have posted here).
Dirty fighting? This comic book issue is doing what many other past issues have done...mirroring societal issues occurring in current events. I suppose if the writers wanted to be more accurate, they could have included anti-gay activists in the drawings telling the happy couple how disgusting they are and that they are going to hell.
Many comic book readers are not kids. The average age of comic book readers in now mid to late teens. By that age most teens have already had exposure to the gay marriage issue.
In addition, parents that disagree with the gay rights movement have every right to forbid their kids from reading things that they deem inappropriate. Just as they have every right to teach their children their beliefs, however antiquated others find them.
Lastly, some in the GLBT community wouldn't care as much about the word 'marriage' if they had the same governmental rights and protections. It's been a word used by both sides of the argument to incite the other.
Champooo – Can you guarantee that it is "just two consenting adults" and that no one in the "political gay crowd" is going to try and have the bible declared hate literature.....you very out of touch with the stakes in the game and there are many more
Just wait – before you answer and put your foot in your mouth again – I am going to help you out.......they have already tried several times.....
Nope. Can't guarantee that. But even if they did, so what? You think they'd really succeed? Even someone like myself who doesn't believe a word of the bible would fight that kind of close-mindedness.
Yuck!!
Now we have limp-wristed super heroes? I hope they don't make a movie about it.
You know what I would like to see a movie about?? The gay priests who have molested millions of children and tried at every angle not to pay damages.....and have continued being gay and molesting children.....The movie Doubt touched on it – but we need something that will deal with this out in the open......way out of the closet
Dude, why would you want to watch a movie about priests molesting kids?
You're gross.
You sad people and your boogie men! "Gay Agenda." chuckle. You act like there is this secret committee out there brainstorming against a whiteboard: "Oh yeah, and let's make sure we get age of consent laws changed and bestiality on the list!" "Yeah but add those to the Parking Lot behind ruining all their religiously sanctioned marriages and forcing there poor stupid kids to question the understanding of 'a couple'." Gay Agenda is your Westboro Baptist way of saying that we're all conspiring to persecute you and your religions. It's just as much a smoke and mirrors scare-tactic as "masturbation blindness" or "campaign reform".
Your lifestyle is gross. Plain and simple.
Sorry Bighulahead – the court cases with real Boogey men just keep adding up – want some stats. Someone needs to help the gay community that has been abused and are now abusing others......
Why can't people just get along?
that picture makes me want to puke
Obama has a picture of it above his fireplace
like like like
why?
Because its a fitting picture
I don't get why this is such a big deal honestly. There's been a gay character in the comic books for over 40 years, he's called Robin. We all know it, it's been common knowledge for a long time. He can come out of the bat cave at any time.
Its a BIG deal – because it is all a part of a much larger agenda....duh!!!!!
Ok Tree Man, I'll play dumb. Please explain what this "much bigger agenda" is all about?
So, tree man, is it not okay now because gays are pushing for marriage equality?
Lets see where to start......remove the age of consent, have the bible declared hate literature, make it illegal for any church not to marry them – ya know they want to be gay and get married in a christian church..., have their doctrine put in every elementary school in America(gotta get the kids on board), pretty much force their lifestyle on the American public in every way they can...movies, tv, childrens comics.....lots more
@relish - that JUST MIGHT HAPPEN! But you and your pals shouldn't worry... you'll be all dolled up in your gym shoes and purple tablecloths - boarding your mother ship LONG before I marry your son. freak.
No we will stop this before we go:):)
relish: where are they trying to remove the age of consent or making it illegal for churches to not perform weddings for gay couples?
Art reflects life...or didn't some of you realize that? The exception would be in a facist society, where books are burned, and the only art that is allowed is that which conforms to the tastes of the bigoted leaders. In such a facist society, harm to others, suppression, repression, villification, and torture or routine, and life really doesn't matter. I hope America remains a fortress for Democracy, and that Marvel Comics will thrive, action heroes and all.
So touching...and artsy!! They have the freedom to print it – we have the freedom to ban it! The beauty of America!! The big question will be whether we get to keep the bible – won't it – will you fight for freedom then?
tom: you do not have a right to ban it.
Yes – we do Steve.....hey Everyone who thinks like us – Do not buy any marvel products at all!!!!
Shame on Marvel comics for promoting unrighteousness.
They're just going with the flow, just like spineless Obama
Tim Obama caught Bin Laden on HIS watch.... I don't think he is spineless...
shame, shame, shame.....everyone should hate the same people we (and by extension, god) hate
Look up Sam.....relish has the right idea
There are a lot of so called righteous on here ! More like hypocrites living in glass houses casting their stones !!!!
Oh no, the marriage of Reed and Susan Richards will be forever diminished now that gay superheros can marry.
Nice publicity move for Marvel, and hopefully they will keep the story line active. Great opportunity to add further depth to the characters.
Disclaimer: I haven't read comics regularly in a long time so if the Richards are no longer married, or are dead or something I apologize for not knowing.
Isn't cool....they just lost 99% of readers and gained 1% – yahoo
Oh you mean the 1% that is trying to rule all....yes that should bring in some $$
i am a christian, but im not going to force my religious views on others or beat the bible into someone.. but i will say this..
woe to those who call good evil
and woe to those who call evil.......good.
all the terminator movies have one singular message "we become the victims of our human weaknesses"
Thanks for not forcing your religious views on me, or beating me over the head with your Bible. NOT!
As gay groups continue to try and change laws....and they will – the question now is who is beating who? You get no sympathy here
It's not about changing laws, Tree Man. It's ensuring everyone has equal protection under the law. Actually, it's the anti-gay marriage groups who want to change the laws.
Beat over the head??? If I want a christian comic I go to a christian book store and buy one. The gay agenda gets slapped all over the place and put in front of children. Does anyone RESPECT that children have parents who are allowed to teach them what their family believes??? There is the endless attempts in court to put the gay agenda in the school system, school is for math and science, it should be a place where diversity is at the highest level because they are kids and the objective is learning. That's the trouble with these arguments is that there is people who actually know what's going on and too many that do not.
Good night Jon Boy!! blah blah blah.......
It's funny you say
"As gay groups continue to try and change laws....and they will – the question now is who is beating who? You get no sympathy here"... It's still you who's beating people over the head. All they're trying to do is get the same right as you do. You hit them over the head with your bible quotes that suit your own argument, forget other verses and forget what the whole religion is about. All they want is the same right you have legally. If you don't like that? that's fine, you don't have to beat them over the head with your bible quotes and claiming that just because you don't like it is a "sin" while your sins are just as bad according to your book.. Just come out and say you're a bigot and stop hiding behind your version of Christianity already.
That is not all they are trying to do – wake up!! Some of you unfortunately just read CNN website – you have no other means of information. Spend some time studying gay politcal sites.....or their newsletters......get informed. Its like saying Palastine only wants "a part" of Israel!!
Sad.
Disappointed. Clicked on this story thinking it was going to be about Steve and Gary.
i dont understand ... as far as i know, none of the other x-men got married. and if they did it wasnt the big front-page story they are making this out to be. none of this is within the scope of comic books, and Liu brought up NY's gay marriage law ... so tell me again how it isnt a political statement? stick to comics, guys, and stop dilluting the integrity of your craft.
Don't even bother trying to rationalize it all. This is just Gay CNN trying to push their loose and liberal freakshow agenda
Freakshow? Get back on your knees, Carol.
On your knees? That sounds like a line straight from one of your gayboy friends and likely part of your own agenda
Carol.....Jesus is going to need to be serviced. Keep your kneepads at hand
Yes – the worst part of this is watching the freakshow....try to fool all of us – that all they want is equal rights....thats the smoke and mirrors part of the show. This agenda has much more that they are after....and we KNOW all about it
Ha Ha. What does Jesus have to do with this? Your stupid comments speaks for itself. Try again Gayboy
Carol: Fair enough. At least you are not hiding your bigotry behind a curtain of piety. You still are a mouthy gash.
Anna: Equal rights for all people bother you? Check out the 14th amendment.
Mouthy gash? Ha Ha. Case in point. It sounds like your the low class idiot who is rather mouthy. An unrefined idiot. The comment about Jesus was pretty disgusting also, whether one follows him or not. And judging by the comments here on this board that others have responded to you on you seem to be losing all of your arguments. You're just too easy kid
Sam – open your ears!! It is not ONLY ABOUT equal rights......the agenda is much bigger.....its ok you just didn't know
okay, tree man, if it is not about equal rights, what is it about?
If you believe CNN has this agenda that supposedly is such a turn off Carol why are you and the other bigots spending so much time reading articles on this site and blogging on it too ?
Because in case you haven't noticed, CNN also carries the basic news as well. Regular news goers who come here for this have just as much right to blog on here the same as anyone else
I never realized so many people read comics. What do people think of AvX? Hey, remember that part where Wolverine tries to kill Hope? You know, the part where Wolverine, one of the most popular Marvel heroes, tries to kill a child? Awesome right?
That would certainly be less offensive than this creepy sideshow attraction
so...hurray for murder?
It's not like Wolverine doesn't have a history of trying to do that. Or does no one remember when he tried to kill Rachel Summers/Phoenix?
I wonder what their freakshow children are going to look like?
Probably like yours, Todd
My children are beautiful, gayloving Sam. That is certainly more than can be said for youself and the rupulsive freakshows who cannot produce and must rely on straight people to pick up the slack for them. Now try to defend that.
Seems like an awful lot of conjecture there, Todd. Oh well, feel as you will. Bigotry dies hard, but it does die.
Also, Todd....how are straight people "picking up the slack" for gays?
Conjecture? Please. So in other words, you still cannot adequately defend them. Figures. If it has to be explained to you how straight people must pick up the slack by reproducing in place of those who cannot reproduce, then you are too stupid to carry a conversation with.
I have no need to defend how my life is and how it relates to your guesses. I am straight. If you don't believe it, fair enough. Now, go fvck yourself
You have no need to defend it because you can't. A rather convenient excuse to use. You lose again Gayboy Sam
No, Todd. It is simply because it is not worth arguing with you about.
Todd it doesn't work that way...ah the stupidity
HAhahahhahhahahahahahah.....Sam says he is straight!!
Hilarious! Is that what you call your offspring-that-hatch, todd, "picking up the slack"? Well, at any rate "Oh Thank You" for producing your beautiful children for us... You know how we love the pretty ones!
Thank-yu for being honest bighulawood – its easier when you guys are honest.....
No problem Gayboy. Glad to pick up the slack for the freaks who can not
Just completely disgusting. No matter how they try to disguise it those two men end up looking like pathetic freaks. To make it even more awkward it's a nasty interracial farce to boot. Could it get any more nauseating or creepy? And then to have all those superheroes standing around pretending to be enjoying or approving of this entire hideous spectacle is laughable at best. Except it's not even funny.
"To make it even more awkward it's a nasty interracial farce "
I know, right? He's Canadian
It really strikes a nerve with you doesn't it? Seems its getting under your skin a bit too easily.
They've done studies on people like you and there's an 80% chance you have your own personal issues to deal with.
"They've done studies on people like you "
they've done studies on comic book readers?
That's always the first lame excuse you gay apologists come up with. Always trying to turn it around that everyone who objects must also be gay. It is an ineffectual and weak reponse on your part that fools absolutely no one. It is a perfectly natural reaction for both men and women to be disgusted by such unnatural and vile things. Mabey it is you who are the one who is Gay and is sensitive to such criticism? HMMM?
David: And you are so concerned about this why?
Mike....your comment is unintelligent.
when did I apologize for anything? Also, what is a gay apologist?
"Always trying to turn it around that everyone who objects must also be gay"
when did I accuse anyone of being gay?
I was responding to Mike, he's the one who has his own personal issues
oh, sorry, without @names, I have no idea who is saying what to who
Personally I think they look cute. Nothing creepy to me.
This is a sad day in America. Kids already have so much to deal with – now they have to figure whether its ok for superheroes to get married. ......The bulk of America is being forced to say this is ok – and it is not for millions....if we say it out loud – then we are called bigots and hateful. Some of the hateful comments made on this blog against Christians has been very interesting for me to see.....if you lift the lid and really look inside you will see hate all over the place, on all sides....not just one. The politicians are going to get very frustrated on this one.....because there is no way we will ever agree on this issue – never. If it is pushed – people that normally would get along – are going to be forced to take a side.....and everyone will get hurt
You are bang on Archie. You cannot force two people groups to agree – most christians do not hate anyone....but they disagree with this lifestyle in principle....now you have the politicians, Hollywood and the gay and lesbian community using the media and movies to influence change.....and then change laws....pretty soon society if being forced – and it is not true change. The people of California voted out gay marriage.....do you think anyone honored the vote of the people?? No way.....North Carolina voted it out......now what? The people have spoken.....
And yet the pulpit is used to spread another gospel, please be consistent.
They are talking about equality and understanding. You probably have no idea, because you cant see beyond your own shallow life and I'm sure you have never had to deal with any real issue in your lifetime. This should not have anything to do with religion. Just equality in a country where we, all MEN have rights of life and liberty. Like it or not, gay people are going thru a time of civil rights to gain what they deserve- just as black people, latino's, women, and religions have gone thru in our country to gain equality. You can think its creepy or whatever, its not going away. The rights of two consenting adults do do as they wish with thier lives in our country should not be put up to vote. We are a country founded on freedom, as real americans we should embrace this as another facet of our society that makes this such a great place. Our diversity makes us strong. If you are uncomfortable, that is your problem and you need to deal with that. Welcome to a world where not everyone is like you, and jkust because you don't like it or understand it, that should not infringe on their rights to be equal to you.
Sublime if we left things to "the people" -slavery would still exist, women would not be able to vote or own property, children would still be used for heavy labor, Jews would be exterminated...get the point? EVOLVE
Sublime: Yet you diminish them by calling it a lifestyle rather than an orientation. Tell me, at what age did you decide what gender gave you wood?
Stone. What difference would that make? It ridiculous, gay superhero and getting married. This crap is getting like some tv shows. Can't they find things for superheros to do? They have to resort to gay weddings?
Mitch: Sure, it's ridiculous. Is it any more ridiculous than comic books in general? I find it annoying that people are using this ridiculousness to post their vitriol against gays. I am a straight, middle aged male. But, I know several gay folks. They seem like decent folk to me. Some of the males seem a bit of a stereotype. So what? Since I know some folk who are gay and decent, I feel obligated to stand up when bigots spew their bigotry. Just as I do when bigots spew crap about black people (I am white). I feel to do otherwise would be tacit approval of the bigotry
You gay apologists are just as bad as the gays themselves. It is perfectly acceptable for both men and women alike to look down on such vile and unnatural people. They are a freakshow community and nothing you say in their defense will ever change this. People are perfectly within their right to object and sneer at such loathsome creatures, if you want to call them that.
David: You are perfectly within your rights to be as bigoted as you wish. And we are within ours to call you out on it.
The funny thing is, David, that you are every bit the vile freakshow that you claim gays are.
Oh that was such a clever comeback Sam. Too bad I already said it first. You are so stupid you cannot even come up with your own insults. Just pray the gay away Sam, not that it would help you
Wow, Mandrake, are you clever.
The very fact that the gay agenda has shown up in a comic for children is shows the intent of this group. The gay group has an extreme issue with DIVERSITY. It is not okay for people to not agree with their lifestyle choice, everyone including children must believe it's okay. If the world is not allowed to have DIVERSITY.....well we should all just join the Taliban now and get it over with. Another group with huge issues with DIVERSITY!!!! Believers should be allowed to say I don't agree with this lifestyle, Gays should be allowed to say I don't like God. We all have to live here and we will never, never all agree, BUT we can agree on many issues that benefit all, they are not hard to find. Hungary kids fed, homeless sheltered, etc. etc. DIVERSITY, DIVERSITY!!!!!!
Hey David what would Jesus say about these "loathsome creatures"? Your hate makes you psychiatric. Get help...
God Bless you
Sometimes you have to use all forms of media to educate backwards thinking folks.
Too bad you have forsaken your own education
Well....they voted ya out in California and now in North Carolina....so not sure how its working. The backwards educating needs to start with parts of the gay community. First lesson is how to communicate with the public.....none of you agree in your own group – but we are all supposed to keep up with your latest thoughts and feelings – please
Come on guys – give us a break!!! Some of you declare it is a lifestyle choice and were not born this way on TV – not another group is screaming no way.....how confusing for the rest of us?? We cannot stay up to date on how each of you feel....and get a collective sound from this whole group of people
make me wanta puck
*It makes me want to puke.
And yet after all these poostings, you have to tell people not to buy it. Really?
To stick ur head in a toilet bowl...
Theres a game for that, hockey...
was "puck" a misspelling of puke, or was there an f in place of that p?
North Guy and Supersmart, part of the agenda. He who loses memory of history, repeates it. Lifestyle was not naturally sustainabe so breeders were kept when technology failed. Cycle is beginning. Break it by not allowing domination agenda.
in english please!! no one has any idea what you are talking about
Ancientmemory......please speak english and make sense or sober up. History repeats itself because people don't change, there is one thing in history that broke the endless chain of sin and misery....someone who came to be a sacrifice for all of mankind... He offered a new life to the world and still does.
willy @ 3:42 p.m. You made a good point. You guys got recruited and indoctrinated by experienced men who knew how to mix fun and s@ex in an atmosphere of acceptance. You got caught by your curiosity. Parents who had strong direction and understanding of their sons vulnerability used to make sure their boys were "started" by a kind, sweet older "family friend" who gave them confidence and an absolute appreciation of what a girl was about. Then they really wanted to find one for themseves. And life went along smoothy. And their sons learned the same way. What's better is one boy, one girl, privicy and happiness when they can support a child.
Huh? I am hetero, and I find your post creeeeeeepy.
ma & pa.....you are 2 idiots for the price of 1.
Your twisted! Are u from another planet?
willy @ 3:42 p.m. You made a good point. You guys got recruited and indoctrinated by experienced men who knew how to mix fun and s@ex in an atmosphere of acceptance. You got caught by your curiosity. Parents who had strong direction and understanding of their sons vulnerability used to make sure their boys were "started" by a kind, sweet older "family friend" who gave them confidence and an absolute appreciation of what a girl was about. Then they really wanted to find one for themseves. And life went along smoothy. And their sons learned the same way. It still happens among big money. What's better is one boy, one girl, privicy and happiness when they can support a child.
So, willy took part in this man love thing?
the LMNOPs sure want to make a big Stink, and make everybody beleive that eveyone else is gay
I guess things didn't work out between him and the Pantheans' Hector.