One of 'Star Trek's' greatest captains had us scratching our heads
When Kate Mulgrew, the actress best known for playing Captain Janeway on "Star Trek: Voyager," took on the role of Kove in Adult Swim's procedural show spoof, "NTSF: SD: SUV::," "Star Trek" fans were not sure of what to think about it.
After all, the "Trek" crowd can be a fickle bunch. Witness the backlash against Wesley Crusher from "Star Trek: The Next Generation." It's only been in recent years that fans have really embraced Wil Wheaton as a nerd hero.
The show has been on the air since July on the network (which is owned by Time Warner, which also owns CNN), and Mulgrew told CNN Geek Out that fans have since warmed up to her character in a big way.
"These fans are very loyal, and they're very game and very smart, and they love to roll with it," she said, adding, "Janeway is their captain, whether she's in an insane asylum or not."
Mulgrew made history as the first female captain to be the lead character in a "Star Trek" series.
"She plays a strong leader with great instincts when it comes to tactical situations as well as leadership," said Mike Miller, a hardcore Trekker in Atlanta. "She places her crew (which of course is made up of StarFleet as well as Maquis Rebels) as her highest priority."
Miller said he would rank Janeway third, behind the two most popular captains, Kirk and Picard.
As for the present day, Mulgrew is now playing a character so absurd that at one point, she wanders around obsessing about whether she was invited to a birthday party.
"She is definitely obsessed with Trent (creator Paul Scheer's character), obsessed with sex and obsessed with herself and her hairdo."
The procedural show spoof (think "CSI: Miami" or NCIS") caught Mulgrew's attention right away: "I said yes immediately when they offered it to me. It's such a departure from everything I've done."
Mulgrew's former "Voyager" colleague Robert Picardo also guest starred on an episode.
"They said they wanted a creepy guy, and I said, Bob Picardo!" she revealed. "He was deliciously creepy."
And never fear, Trekkers. If Mulgrew has her way, there will be more guest spots like that. "I want to get all my pals on it, and I think Paul is game for it. John deLancie would be wonderful. Finally, people would find out how funny we are!"
Mulgrew is proud to say that she never phoned it in at any point on "Voyager," something her fans truly appreciate. "It was really hard work, and I'm really proud of it. And I was the first woman!"
She also gave her theory as to why "Star Trek" has endured for 45 years: "It's captured the imagination of people who understand that all of science is a leap of faith. People who are linear thinkers (in that way) are attracted to the patterns of 'Star Trek,' which is a metaphor for how we live. The starship stands for the human species being lost and hoping to find itself again."
Mulgrew is most definitely a science geek, as well: "I can't live without the Science Times. And I always keep (the works of the late physicist) Richard Feynman by my bedside."
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I really liked Voyager. It was a modern tng. I do not know why people get so upset about it. The episodes were intelligent, and Janeway was gutsy. She didn't F*** around. She had faith in their ability to get home, no matter what they met along the way. Kirk is the first, Picard is Patrick Stewart...we all grew up on that. But Sisko? what was with that whole prophet, religion crap...I always thought that was retarded. Stick to being a commander and stay out of other alien religious crap. Archer was crap, Bakula was really hot with is shirt off...that's all i have to say. I liked the T'pol character but I'm pretty sure the first female vulcan would've been as straight and pointy as their ears, and would never had explored the idea of sleeping with a shipmate. Janeway was a strong captain.
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Will Wheaton = Nerd Hero.
Best part of the whole article.
I guess Kate Mulgrew is a Snake Plissken fan, or perhaps a Dr. Who season 6 fan 2 😉
Best enemy captains:
The Romulan from the Warbird in the first series.
The Gorn.
Tasha Yar's offspring (another Romulan).
The Gorn was a great captain? Janos Prohaska in a reptile suit...I liked him better as the Horta, but there's no accounting for taste.
She was the first MILF in the Galaxcy!
Do you mean the Romulan played by Mark Lenard (aka Spock's father, Sarek) ??
All the complaints about how Janeway's the worst of the captains is certainly damning with faint praise.
Star Trek's worst captain, actually. Voyager was a terrible, terrible series. Sisko, Picard, Kirk, Archer, Janeway is the correct order. But I can't fault Mulgrew for the horrible Voyager writers and producers.
I can't believe you would put Sisko above Picard! I think they were both really cool in their own way. For me it would be a tie. Janeway was definitely better than Archer. C'mon. Scott Bakula...seriously. He was very unlikeable and in fact somehow reminded me of George W. Bush. Franchise went downhill after Enterprise. Coincidence? I think not.
I agree, Sisko/Picard tied, the rest in the rigth order, and I agree it was the writing. I remember a line from the very first Voyager epsiode: "Sometimes you have to push right thru!" before the climactic, risky-as-hell maneuver, and unnecessary if I recall correctly. She could have been gutsy without being dumb. But she IS funny in this, and seeing ST people in cameos is really hilarious!!
I don't count the captain from a TV series, unless that series lasted 7 seasons.
BTW, for most of DS9, Sisko was merely a commander, no?
That leave just Picard and Janeway as candidates for consideration.
She's awesome, no matter what she does. She's also been on Warehouse 13 on Syfy, what a treat!!!
That woman's voice is the most horrid thing I've ever heard. It's like taking a normal woman's voice and somehow applying 80-grit sandpaper to it.
I remember she was so good in it
Once a trekkie always a trekkie. I am a trekkie not a trekker. Trekkies are Romulans to Vulcan Trekkers.
I would equate Trekkies to the Pakled, not the Romulans. Mostly overweight, technically challenged, and socially inept.
re Kate Mulgrew: Apparently once you leave Starfleet, you can eat all you want.
For once in her life she's not underweight and this is your comment? One wonders what's in your mirror...
Underweight, my red-shirted ar5e. She was leaning towards the high side of 'normal' BMI range during Voyager.
I would still bust Wesley Crusher right across his mouth if I ever met him in person, just for GPs. (Not Wil Wheaton though – he's a decent guy.)
Envy's unattractive.
And projection is not just a Bell and Howell exclusive any more.
Thanks for making the distinction between Whil Wheaton and the character Wesley Crusher. Poor Wesley was such a badly written character, introduced as a prodigy, a genius of promise, where can such a character go? Whil did a great acting job, and I like his TNG episodes now. I wish I had seen more of Wesley's wonderful ability to "play music" with space time!
It's *Wil* Wheaton, Nadine.
Carry on.
I agree. I never liked Wesley Crusher much (he grew from a dweeb into a dick), but I like Wil Wheaton a lot. First season of TNG, I had to keep reminding myself, "He was great in Stand By Me, he was great in Stand By Me..."
Bazinga!
Wesley Crusher was Eugene Wesley Roddenberry's alter ego. Gene just had to write into ST:TNG a character that was himself as a teenager. It just shows what happens when one lets ego guide your actions.
Don't forget that massive letter writing campaign during the 1st season, demanding to get rid of that darn Crusher character. And then we all watched in horror when the 2nd season started, and Dr Bev Crusher was the character that was missing.
Sisko all the way. DS9 was IMHO one of the best star trek series ever made. The show really took off in writing and story when season 4 started, then the remaining seasons going into the Dominion war storyline.
Im sorry, but she looks like a klingon with that eye patch
the Tv series is boring, we want more Star Trek Movies !! and the producers "know" the movies will generate serious money. I want to see a series of 3 movies that take from the newest Star Trek, something wayyy more epic, ie. LOTR, ones that are connected and take the 3 movies to tell the story. Space movies facinate me. Im getting tired of watching the latest Star Trek movie over and over lol, but am serious that they just can not stop making Star Trek !! It is their duty go above and beyond. I really think the movie inspires, and can possibly lead to ideas that can/will take us into space. someone some day will invent a way. Always, look to the stars.
i wouldn't mind more Star Trek, but NOT a continuation of Enterprise. No cheesy "It's been a long road..." theme songs by Diane Warren. Put in some decent writing and some decent acting. Enterprise was only good in its last 6-7 episodes, after they found out they were canceled and had nothing to lose.
@ Chartreuxe, Cpt. Pike was also in a major motion picture as well!
Janeway was everyone's mother, never really a captain that had to make the hard calls like Kirk and Picard had.
Sisko was never really given the chance except for one time that the station had to cowboy-up. Loved how Sisko always was at a boil and smacked the crap out of Q. Thats true ballz to pop an omnipotent being that could obliterate you with a thought in the mouth.
But I gotta love Kirk, never had a prejudiced moment, to him it was "all pink in the middle" =P I wonder how many 1/2 & 1/2 Kirklings there are out there?
Not true. In fact, she made a hard call at the series opening, which resulted in the premise of being stuck in the Delta Quadrant to begin with. and, as an example of gut wrenching hard choices, watch "Year of Hell" the episodes.
Yes, Pike reappeared. That was 43 years into the franchise and as a rebooted character. So you're late to our ranks?
The parasites were there. It happened.
Adulthood begins when one begins to accept the world for what it is and stops expecting the world to adjust to one's expectations and desires.
Captain Janeway was the Captain that faced difficult decisions the most out of all 5 series, imo.
Indeed.
She was also the only Captain who's uniform didn't change.
The Next Gen episode about the parasites that take over Star Fleet operations NEVER HAPPENED. Deny, deny, DENY!!!
LESS KARDASHIANS MORE CARDASSIANS!
Kardashian? What's a Kardashian? I'm unfamiliar with that species.
OMG...to the majority of people here these fantasy characters are actually real! Now how pathetic is that.......
No, Tom
Pathetic is the individual that cannot summon the "look and feel" of a well-developed character. You'd know that if you read books, where much of the illusion and special effects must come spring from within a fertile mind. Someone has to have "vision", whether the writer, actor, producer or director.
There is a certain level of professional proficiency necessary before we can make the leap from our day-to-day reality into the world thus created. In THAT world AND ever after in our minds these people exist. I think that's wonderful!
Mulgrew was Captain Lame . . . . the network vips were only doing the politically correct thingy . . . Voyager was the p...y cruise . . . not a strong male character among them . . . liked Kirk the best . . . shoot first . . . screw your way across the galaxy . . . spread the seed . . . aaahhhh . . .
Let me try and get this, she has a book by Feynman and refers to science all of science as a leap of faith?!?
Janeway was the worst Captain character in the entire history of Star Trek.
Why HYJ... I am surprised at you, lol '-)
Damning with faint praise.
I will sum up: all the captains were awesome so if Janeway is the least of the best she's still amazing.
Fave Captains: Picard, Kirk, & Janeway
Voyager was fun for me to watch because of the tongue-and-cheek humor they often showed, and I enjoyed Janeway as captain.
And to be honest, I don't find her current role on NTSF:SD:SUV to be as much of a stretch as the article suggests.
I go to alot of star trek conventions and I have never met anyone who considers her worthy of being a captain. Who in there right mind would believe a woman could ever captain a starship. pure fantasy.
Knuckle-dragger.
Indeed!
Lamest flamebait ever.
Ha, Star Trek rocks! I named my kid Kasidy after Kasidy Yates. She will thank me forever!
One hopes...
trekkies - more pathetic than star wars fanbois
That's "Trekker" and "fan boy", respectively, thank you. And I think you either understand Trek – its entertainment value, philosophical relevance, respect for science, and ethical stance – or you should just stick to Jersey Shore.
It is funny reading the passions that people have about Trek in these posts. I have not seen this show that the article is talking about as I do not have cable and do not plan on getting it, but it sounds like Mulgrew has found something fun and different in which to exercise her talents. I liked her character in STVOY very much, seeing her as a combination in many ways of Kirk and Picard, but also very much herself, too. In the spirit of many of these posts, I suppose I should throw down where I stand on a couple of the series so that people will have a sense of where to peg me. I grew up with Kirk, came to appreciate Picard, was intrigued by Sisko, and was greatly impressed with Janeway. My son has grown up with Archer, and I like his character as a precursor to Kirk and wish that his voyages could have gone for another couple of seasons. I thought the Abrams' Trek was a brilliant synthesis of Roddenberry and Lucas, but I don't see much happening with the film franchise as a result. At the pace Paramount is moving, the actors will be demonstrably older before the next installment. Time for Paramount to consider another animated series as Lucasfilm has been doing.
What about Data? To me, he is the greatest of them all – gentle but waaaaay intelligent – plus he had all the parts and abilities to make him "a real man".
I agree – sign up Brent Spiner! I saw him in Denver a couple of years ago, and his comic timing is impeccable – knocking us dead the whole night!
If you want to see Brent Spiner at his funniest look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrLvtoKZfxY
Brent Spiner as Data was fantastic!
DS9 / Sisko by far... Enterprise was brutal (mainly the storyline – don't think prequels work when you have such a hugely established theme and history... Just asking to wreck what you've made).
For those who are complaining about DS9 (and the one who said it was in trouble due to the fact is had pre-established 'tertiary' characters on it)... DS9 had some pretty amazing character development. Sisko, going from Commander to Captain, from wanting to be anywhere but there to war hero. I think having O'Brian and Worf there added to the great story – you bring in two characters who we know, and develop them more? Worf had 7 years of character and story development, O'Brian had a few. I remember in one of their interviews (I want to say Avery Brooks, but I can't remember now, it was one of the DS9 cast members) had said the good thing about being stuck on a space station was that it allowed for them to explore themselves (their characters) unlike any other series had allowed – I totally agree. Story development, character development and action were spectacular in DS9.
As for the rest.. TNG and Voyager were good. TOS was alright (never really got into that one – way before my time), Enterprise was a train wreck.
Enterprise would have been a fantastic 2 hour movie
I'm still annoyed with Enterprise because the name of the first captain of the starship Enterprise wasn't named Robert April. (And before you beat me into submission, I know the animated series wasn't canon. But still ...)
Trekkies: GET A LIFE
Real people watch Doctor Who.
I've watched Dr. Who, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
@VegasRage: "yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn" That's what I told your mom.
I watch both 😛 Does that mean I have a life, but am also cultured?? PS- I think Janeway was the BEST Captain even above Picard and definitely above Kirk
Doctor Who is the man!! Sonic Screwdriver. "Bow ties are cool!" "Fezes are cool!" Great show
Want a jelly baby? (Tom Baker)
allons y, alonzo!
David Tennant was the best star trek captain!
So your head will explode when you learn there are many who can appreciate both series and have done so for decades?
Hear, hear. Head hasn't exploded yet .... now ... where'd I leave my Tardis .... ?
well,
Kirk, Sisko, Picard, Janeway, Archer
Kirk and Sisko are better than picard because they are more action oriented. Picard's character doesn't bode well for a TV/Movies series "hero".
Novel? Sure. But I want to blow stuff up
I love Kate and her appearance on Warehouse 13.
One of Star Trek's greatest Captains? Well, she was in the top five anyway... (-;
Besides, Sisko was the best captain and DS9 was (by far) the best Trek show.
Kirk and Janeway for tough situations. Picard for more covert operations. Sisko for all out war. Archer for missions of discovery. And there were a few female captains prior to Janeway. The one in that Next Gen episode about the parasites that take over Star Fleet operations. The captain in Star Trek 4, about the whales. And there must be others. But Janeway was the first with her own series.
Oh how I love reading peoples opinions about Trek. Better than someone saying what is Star Trek?
I was a kid in the 90's but I was absolutely obsessed with TNG. Never got into DS9 or Voyager but I recently (the past year) enjoyed the heck out of Enterprise (Archer). Maybe I just don't remember the discrepencies so could some kind trekie please explain to me why Enterprise was an abomination?
It wasn't anything timeline speaking that made it awful. The plots were 2 diminsional, the Vulcan was a model h oo ker in a catsuit, and the characters and acting were badly panned out in general. Not saying it isn't worth seeing once, but it doesn't live up to the whole Trek thing.
I think that makes you the only trek fan in the world who admits publicly they enjoyed enterprise.....
Count me in as a big fan of Archer and T'Pol! T'Pol! T'Pol! I liked Enterprise wayyyyy more than Voyager and it's dysfunctional "crew".
The episode where warp speed was first achieved by a human and "we" were welcomed into the "universe" of space-faring races by Vulcans was simply marvelous. A most credible extrapolation of how our current "generations "X" and "Y" may pan out.
I really enjoyed Enterprise, too. Sad thing was it was getting better when they cancelled it. Never understood why so called fans would rather kill a show and have nothing on TV, than support it and try to make it better.
I liked Enterprise also. I enjoyed the development of the engineer as a character. Archer was "Quantum Leap" in a Star Fleet uniform and I did not find him exciting to watch. His relationship with the Andorian Captain was wonderful. The latter episodes were great improvements and I did enjoy that when the Enterprise first went into space they got their buns kicked by every other space faring race. It set the tone for how I would imagine Star Fleet would begin – sort of like the infant United States Navy. It was a well done series. And I have to agree with the comment about T'Pol in the catsuit. That was a dead on.
I enjoyed Enterprise. It took place a hundred years prior to TOS to show where things started.
To quote Ogre, "NERRRRDS!!!"
Thanks for the compliment!
Signed,
All the nerds at NASA who are Star Trek fans.
Guess you think you've insulted us. Guess again.
Psst. He's making a joke. Don't be so touchy.
PS. I am not counting that last disaster of a pre-quel as a real ST movie... I was referring to the one where ADMIRAL Janeway talks to Picard on the viewscreen. : )
She got kicked upstairs
Janeway IS already an Admiral per the last ST movie... there is no question who would be promoted first, it has already been done.
Voyager jumped the shark so many times, it wasn't even funny. As far as who's the best captain, it is a silly argument. The writers wrote any gimic they could to save the Voyager from near impossible solutions, that no meaningful analysis could be made.
Sisco and DS9 are my favorite mostly because Dominion War was so good. It was also interesting learning about the races which most the rest of the series don't tell you a lot about the other races outside of the Klingons which are everywhere. The only thing about DS9 was how Sisco was just a Captain but managed entire fleets. Didn't make much sense to me. Janeway and Voyager are my second favorite series. Enterprise is so boring I can't watch it and TOS has its charms but most of the episodes today are laughable. Patrict Stewart was the best actor out of the group.
DS9 was absolutely outstanding. But you had to wade through 3 full seasons until it started to get good (season 4; the Dominion War heats up, the epic battle at DS9 with the Klingons, etc.). One of my all time faves.
Yeah, but also check her out on Warehouse 13 as one of the Regents, and the mother of one of the field agents! She is definitely a more vulnerable character on that show than she was on Voyager.
loved her in WH13 & Jeri Ryan also.
So female characters are only enjoyable when they're vulnerable? Really?
Should that be interpreted to mean no female should be in a position of power in any role? Not trying to put words on your keyboard here, just curious as to your meaning.
Anyone who says Pike is their favorite Captain has got to be kidding. One Episode as Captain and one episode as a passenger? Seriously?
oh but he was soooo dreamy!!
Nobody beeped their lines like Pike did! 🙂
Sisko was great but we all know that Cheif O'Brian kept DS9 in order.
My spouse, Blazer, an officer in the Navy, says the Chiefs run the entire organization.
Feynman was the "gold standard".
I heard that some Trek actors have trouble finding work after their show is done, but this is one step above reading that they're homless. Maybe she was standing along Santa Monica Blvd holding a dirty cardboard sign that said "Will act for food".
You have to watch an episode. It's sick, stupid, and funny at the same time, but certainly not for everyone. She said she took it because it's a departure from anything she's ever done. I believe her. The show is way OUT there.
'Homeless?' Really? That's quite a stretch, CPC65.
Shatner lived in his pickup truck for a while after the first series, but that was more due to his extreme divorce than anything else. He gave his ex-wife and three daughters everything: house, money, dogs, horses. He lived at campgrounds for a while in a camper on the back of his truck. Some fathers do that because they care about their children and some divorce lawyers were rabid grizzlies in the sixties. Shatner got hosed.
7 of 9; Troi, the Vulcan from Enterprise, baby oil, and a kiddie pool... best story arc ever.
Tasha Yar takes on the winner of that one!
You wish.
Science is NOT a "Leap of Faith".
Explain Dark Matter then.
Its the opposite side of the coin to gravity, tearing things apart instead of allowing them to cycle back together. It relates to how fast the universe is spreading apart.
An expert could tell you lots more, but it is certainly correct to say that science has nothing to do with "leaping faithfully." We may not have ALL the answers, but thats the POINT of further exploration.
Ituri is actually describing dark energy, not dark matter.
Dark matter is assumed to be infused in and surrounding the galaxies because the orbital velocities of the stars in the outer regions of the galaxies are too high to be accounted for by the mass of the visible matter. It is therefore assumed that there must be more matter in the galaxy than can be seen.
It is called "dark matter" because it does not radiate, does not interact with light in the way that normal baryonic matter does, and just to give it a name. It has not yet been directly detected.
Defiant – best ship
First 3 years of DS9 and Voyager were ok. Both became much better with cast changes. Enterprise was really bad but was just starting to find it's footing (that time shifting madness was just a bad way to go) when it focused on the Federation becoming the Federation.
Captains depends on the situation:
Emergency situation, space exploration, low chance of survival – I go with Kirk or Janeway. They are the biggest risk takers and willing to try something out of the box.
War, diplomatic mission, border dispute with the possibility of a battle – I go with Sisko or Picard. Steadier and more level headed.
Which would you promote to Admiral first?
Or, a better question, which would make good Admirals?
1) Archer
2) Sisko
3) Picard
4) Janeway
5) Kirk
ahhhhhh........time to get a life.....lol
If you didn't want to play along, move along please.
Answering your admiral question:
1) Picard
2) Sisko
3) Janeway
4) Archer
5) Kirk
The last two seasons of DS9 focused around the domininon wars was the best Star Trek ever to be on TV, hands down.
I agree Seasons 5-7 DS9 was the best, some say it was too dark, I disagree. The Dominion was the ultimate enemy,
Janeway kicks Sisko's butt, hands down! LOVE Janeway.
Thanks for the heads up on the show, I was not aware, and will have to watch!!
I AGREE ;-D
MMMMMmmmmmmmm.....7 of 9...To be a teen in those late 90's...
Beep Beep... 7 of 9 tissues already used... Beep Beep...
Of them all, and I've watched them all, I would want Captain Picard to defend the Federation; and he would also be the one I would prefer to serve under. He selected or developed the best of those under him and did not micro-manage. That allowed him to make the decisions he believed HE had to make. A fine example of the best possible leadership principles.
Yeah but has she ever slept with a green woman before?
No... but there was that really hot ex-Borg.
Holy cr@p!! Kate is starting to look like my ex-wife!
....I will never watch Voyager again!
You're thinking with the little head again, Saopaco. Reverse your engines.
All I was trying to do was realign the phase buffer. honest! =)
Careful man, you're gonna blow an EPS conduit!
Always the same excuse.
I would put Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Archer, and Janeway in different starships and let them battle it out...winner take all....LOL
Interesting.
My money is on Defiant!
I would say Voyager would win, at the end of the series it had future technology integrated into their systems. I mean, it was strong enough to take down a lot of borg.
Defiant 4 sure!
My money's on Kirk. Can you say "Kobayashi Maru"?
I would like to see an animated spoof version of Star Trek ala Sealab with Sterling Archer as the new Captain...
Archer wouldn't even make to the battle... run into a moon or something. It's probably just as well. You put a tractor beam on the first Enterprise it would wet itself and shake to pieces. Hull plating, uh huh.
Ugh. Worst captain ever.
Got that right!
Really? How many ships did Picard lose?
Counting the films, at least one.
"One of 'Star Trek's' greatest captains had us scratching our heads"
Huh? Since when was she one of Star Trek's greatest captains? The show was HORRIBLE.
She's not even close to the top 50 captains, let alone the top 10!!!
Never a truer statement was ever spoken (typed).
Are you kidding? She was awesome!
Too right! Say what you want about Capt. Archer (Enterprise NX-01) but at least he got his people home from wherever he wound up!The series wasn't about a bunch of people who, um, well, got lost!
UM, HI. She did get them home
I may be the only person in the world to say this, but Sisko is my favorite "captain" by far, followed by Picard, then New Kirk, then Kirk, then Janeway, and I never once watched Enterprise, so I have no idea on Archer. I didn't really like Voyager in general, but DS:9 was the best of the Star Trek Series'.
Yes, I thought I was the only one. DS9 is my favorite as well. I found it much more complex and interesting than the others.
Really? I thought DS9 sucked at the end. Not so much fun when you can't GO anywhere,so they invent the Defiant, and it essentially became a totally different show. And a lot crappier IMHO.
The Sisko is of Bajor.
Enterprise isn't very good, but hands down beats Voyager. Archer is MUCH better than Janeway. DS9 was my favorite series and Sisko the best captain as far as I'm concerned.
Original series will never be touched.
TNG a close second
Voyager was a great show
Enterprise was good, but never really caught on.
DS9 was brutal.
Agree.
On second thought, I would put TNG before Star Trek (the original). Better scripting and a plot arc to follow.
Every time I see Mulgrew call herself the first female captain, I wince–she most certainly was NOT. There were several other women who portrayed captains on Star Trek long before she did. And for the most part, they were far better actors than she was.
Rich:
1. Mulgrew has never called herself anything. CNN's 'geekout' writer made a reference to her being the first captain. If you don't agree, take it up with CNN. But before you do, read point number...
2. ...the article said, "Mulgrew made history as the first female captain to be the lead character in a "Star Trek" series." Majel Barret was the first female captain...in fact, with Pike, was arguable the first Star Trek captain, period. But Mulgrew was the first "to be a lead character".
3. "Every time I see Mulgrew call herself..." Every time? What other times??
Not trying to be mean, Rich. Just helping you to see a bias about yourself that I had in my teens and twenties and that many people still do. You're reading something that isn't there. (and if you want to learn a bit more about yourself, ask yourself why you read it that way....you'll become a better person for doing so).
Majel Barrert was Number One for Pike, and was Nurse Chapel for Kirk and was Troi's mom for Picard. I don't think she was ever a Captain.
Don't forget, she was the computer voice, too!
Actually - he read something that is there:
"Mulgrew is proud to say that she never phoned it in at any point on 'Voyager,' something her fans truly appreciate. 'It was really hard work, and I'm really proud of it. And I was the first woman!'"
Rich:
1. Mulgrew has never called herself anything. CNN's 'Geek Out!' writer made a reference to her being the first captain. If you don't agree, take it up with CNN. But before you do, read point number...
2. ...the article said, "Mulgrew made history as the first female captain to be the lead character in a "Star Trek" series." Majel Barret was the first female captain...in fact, with Pike, was arguable the first Star Trek captain, period. But Mulgrew was the first "to be a lead character".
3. "Every time I see Mulgrew call herself..." Every time? What other times??
Not trying to be mean, Rich. Just helping you to see a bias about yourself that I had in my teens and twenties and that many people still do. You're reading something that isn't there. (and if you want to learn a bit more about yourself, ask yourself why you read it that way....you'll become a better person for doing so).
Can't believe Janeway is even considered a captain from Star Trek. Voyager was by far the worst attempt to cash in on Star Trek ever devised, Mulgrew was the worst casting decision, and Janeway was the worst written captain. Her acting was terrible, she obviously did not believe the part. Her recent claims to be a sci-fi fan run contrary to her interviews when she first got the part wherein she clearly stated that she thought trekkies were geeks who needed to get out of their mother's basements. She single handedly ruined the entire franchise.
Loved Janeway. Don't be hating. Loved Voyager! Loved DS9! Hell, that's what it means to be a Trekker. Each has a part of heart, and my memories. I.D.I.C. FOREVER!!!!
Then don't watch Voyager. Star Trek fans pick and choose which parts of canon they want to ignore, and they've done that for years. Voyager wasn't my favorite of the franchise, but I do LOVE Kate Mulgrew herself as a person. Don't be hating.
Shatner said Trekkies need to move out of their parent's basement. May Kate just repeated it.
Television writing changes, but so do we. I couldn't stand the DS9/Voyager one-two punch, but I lightened-up, and actually became addicted to Voyager. Actually, that was just happening and then they brought Jeri Ryan on, sealing the deal. I also couldn't stand TNG at first...far too cold and utilitarian. By all means, have your favorites! I learned years ago, while taking a marketing course, that I was very 'single-minded' in what I liked, and learned to go more for variety. It may never change your mind (nor should it), but it can always help to give a series a chance, even if you didn't like the way a character talks or looks.
Now if only I could get into DS9...
How can you say she was the worst casting decision?!?! They originally cast Genevieve Bujold! SHE WAS ASTROCIOUS. The series would never have made it without Kate
Whether you want to accept it or not, Howie, she was the first female captain featured in her own series. Janeway was not the first female captain or even the first female admiral. VOYAGER happened. If you didn't like it, don't watch it, but it's still part of future history. Denying it won't help.
You remind me of someone I once knew who didn't want to accept that Joan Collins had been Captain Kirk's love in ST:TOS The City on the Edge of Forever. Howie, is that you?
I used to be a very big fan of SNG until my husband introduced me to Voyager. At first, I disliked it because of a female captain. But, I gave it a chance. I am now one of the biggest Voyager fans there are. I absolutely loved Janeway and grew to love most of the characters on the show. It was full of good stories and it also had this sadness about it. I was very sad to see it end. After Janeway, Picard was wonderful!
"disliked it because of a female captain" - what are you, a Ferengi?
SNG? Sorry, what? You're referring to TNG, correct?
Forget Star Trek. I;m loving her on Warehouse 13.
me too!
Picard, Kirk, Sisko, Janeway, Archer. Sisko seems the most authentically military and the one you wouldn't want to run afoul of.
If you want authentic military-esque... watch Battlestar Gallactica. Star Trek has its own merits... but military bearing isn't its best one, in any series.
Picard, Kirk, Sisko, Janeway, Archer, in my book. Picard was more cerebral, perhaps to a fault at times, but as far as being an effective leader, by far the best. Kirk was more action-oriented and a better gambler, and probably a more inspiring figure, but Kirk also had the benefit of Spock, the most compelling character in all of ST, and the best crew of any of the shows. Sisko could have been better, but I think he was hampered by a relatively weak cast (when a tertiary character from one show is one of your leads, you know you're in trouble) and uneven scripting. An argument can be made that Janeway had an even weaker cast than Sisko (Neelix? Harry? Kes? Yeesh.), but Voyager, although intriguing as a concept, suffered from poor scripting throughout the series. Archer suffers in comparison because ENTERPRISE was an embarrassment of a show: poor concept and bad writing not to mention the fact that every other show seemed to contradict much of what had been established by the earlier (albeit set in the future) shows.
Agreed. Spock, the most memorable character in the future universe.
TOTALLY AGREE...no character compares to Mr. Spock.
Frankly, Sisko was the reason so many hated DS9. he was a terrible captain. for series I go DS9, TNG, Voyager, Original, Enterprise but for captains i go Picard, Janeway, Kirk, Sisko, and then that throw away from Enterprise. Man, enterprise was really really bad.
Thats my list too.
How was Sisko a bad captain? Did you watch the entire series, or just the first few episodes? I recommend watching the later series where Sisko is not only a captain but the Emissary.
Sisko was a builder of people. He inspired those to follow him. He also was not afraid to get his hands dirty.
Sisko is my least favorite Captain, but I still thought he was awesome! For me it's Picard, Janeway, Kirk, then Archer tied with Sisko.
Kate had an interesting character on Warehouse 13 too.
As for Trek:
Kirk was better than Picard, but it is really not fair to compare them. Good science fiction is a reflection of the times in which it was written. Kirk and crew were impacted by the '60's, Picard and crew were from the calmer '80's. Which you prefer relates strongly to when you grew up (if you did).
Voyager was better than DS9. Enterprise got hard to follow with the massive story arcs.
I actually prefered DS9. But I enjoyed all the Star Trek shows. I couldn't tell you who the best captain was. They were all great.
Agreed, but I think Nana Visitor (Major Kira) brought so much to that show. I also loved how DS9 expanded the Klingons and Voyager shed more light on the Borg.
My preference in order – TOS/Kirk, TNG/Picard, Enterprise/Archer, Tie – DS9&Voyager ... LOVED Seven of Nine didn't care too much for Janeway – Liked Sisko couldn't stand rest of the show!
"The past is the future, the future is the past, it all gives me a headache."
Not only did you have Captain Janeway on Voyager you had Seven Of Nine plus a few more interesting ladies.
First woman Captain as she said!
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"She also gave her theory as to why "Star Trek" has endured for 45 years: "It's captured the imagination of people who understand that all of science is a leap of faith."
Um, no. Science is based on empirical evidence.
Umm.. No...Science is not based on empirical evidence...think out of the box. Science that is already known can be improved based on empirical evidence...Science that has yet to be discovered is based on a leap of faith. From her stand point and going along with the Star Trek theme, undiscovered science IS a leap of faith because you really do not know what to expect.
Well said, Jman.
NERDS!
Faith is certainty based on insufficient evidence. That is the exact opposite of science. Chaos is right.
The researcher who tries something on a hunch, or who imagines that something might be true, is not engaging in "faith."
Methinks OGRE is jealous.
Belief in the existence of Dark Matter requires a "leap of faith".
Just like the gods that were created by people create to make sense of their worlds, Dark Matter was created by people to plug the holes in calculations and hypotheses they had created to make sense of their worlds.
Dark Energy falls in the same category.
Kate Milgrew reads Richard Feynman so I'm sure she knows what she's talking about. You people are confusing "faith" with "religious faith".
Sisko, all the way!
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series. I tried to like Deep Space 9 and I did like Next Generation and even episodes of the original(though I always preferred the movies). But Voyager is my favorite.
Greatest captains? Voyager was a terrible series and a distant fourth to TOS, TNG and DS9. A big reason why those series were more fun to watch was because the roles of captain were generally well written and well acted. William Shatner, Patrick Stewart and Avery Brooks all had a screen presence that Kate Mulgrew couldn't match.
Agreed. Kirk Picard janeway
I liked Voyager. Mind you, TNG is first. Btw, (Patrick Stewart is an incredibly funny and nice man, met him at Dragon Con). Voyager I'd place second.
Kirk, Janeway, Picard, Sisko. I admit – I have not seen all of DS9, but recently I watched Voyager all at once and Janeway was very good.
In my book – Janeway, Sisko, Archer, Picard, Kirk.
Pike!
How sad for you.....only two episodes with your favourite captain. [/sarcasm]
BEEEEEP! BEEEEEEP!
I think I like Kirk the best, Janeway second. Picard drives me off the wall because he's uptight in just about every episode. I like Sisko, but he never seems to DO anything on DS9.
Sisko was ok – but the show, not so much. Did anyone watch Bakula playing whatever he was called?
Yes, I would place Janeway and ST:Voyager #3 as well.
Janeway better than Sisko? You must be crazy.