Editor's note: When he's not teaching the Internet how to fist-fight, why being weird is awesome or how to self-publish your own books, Joe Peacock tours the world, showing his extensive "Akira" art collection. He also cosplays as a six-foot-two-inch, 310lb Powerpuff Girl to fill the hollow pit that is his need for the wrong kinds of attention.
There is a growing chorus of frustration in the geek community with - and there's no other way to put this - pretty girls pretending to be geeks for attention.
San Diego Comic-Con is the largest vehicle, but it's hardly the only convention populated with "hot chicks" wearing skimpy outfits simply to get a bunch of gawking geeks’ heads to turn, just to satisfy their hollow egos.
Now, before every single woman reading this explodes, let me disambiguate a bit. I absolutely do not believe that every girl who attends conventions and likes "Doctor Who" is pretending to be a geek.
There are lots of geeks who are female. Some of these female geeks are pretty girls. I find it fantastic that women are finally able to enjoy a culture that has predominately been male-oriented and male-driven.
The presence of female geeks means that the fiction we're reading is broadening and, frankly, getting better in quality. It means nerdy films and television shows aren't relying on damsel in distress stories and objectification of women to draw readers. It means content is broadening and becoming smarter and more accessible. I want more of that.
And be it known that I am good friends with several stunningly beautiful women who cosplay as stunningly beautiful characters from comics, sci-fi, fantasy and other genres of fandom. They are, each of them, bone fide geeks. They belong with us. Being beautiful is not a crime.
Flaunt it if you got it – and if you're a geek, male or female, and you're strikingly handsome or stunningly beautiful, and you cosplay as a handsome or beautiful character, more power to us all. Hot geeks are hot.
What I'm talking about is the girls who have no interest or history in gaming taking nearly naked photos of themselves with game controllers draped all over their body just to play at being a "model." I get sick of wannabes who couldn't make it as car show eye candy slapping on a Batman shirt and strutting around comic book conventions instead.
I'm talking about an attention addict trying to satisfy her ego and feel pretty by infiltrating a community to seek the attention of guys she wouldn't give the time of day on the street.
I call these girls "6 of 9". They have a superpower: In the real world, they're beauty-obsessed, frustrated wannabe models who can't get work.
They decide to put on a "hot" costume, parade around a group of boys notorious for being outcasts that don't get attention from girls, and feel like a celebrity. They're a "6" in the "real world", but when they put on a Batman shirt and head to the local fandom convention du jour, they instantly become a "9".
They're poachers. They're a pox on our culture. As a guy, I find it repugnant that, due to my interests in comic books, sci-fi, fantasy and role playing games, video games and toys, I am supposed to feel honored that a pretty girl is in my presence. It's insulting.
Is it abuse in the same vein as the harassment? Not even slightly.
Someone dressing up to feel good about themselves isn't the same as guys lobbing insults, threats, disgusting suggestions and the like at women.
Case in point: there is a website called Fat, Ugly Or Slutty that catalogs insults, harassment and verbal abuse from male gamers to females on Xbox Live. Reading through just one page of the site made me ill. The big brother in me wanted to go pound the crap out of the thirteen year olds who think it's cool or funny to demean women for sport.
Is this type of harassment is deserved? Not at all. Are guys acting this way toward women just as disgusting and base as women poaching attention from our culture, satisfying their egos by strutting around a group of guys dressed in clothing and costumes from a culture filled with men they see as beneath them? Absolutely.
I think that these things sully what is otherwise an incredible group of people and bring down a beautiful culture. I feel the same way when some guy reads about a hot comic book title sure to be a collector's item, drives up demand by buying up all of those issues and resells them on eBay for hundreds of dollars. He doesn't love the culture. He doesn't add anything to it. All he does is make scarce a resource that we want and love, in the name of profit.
I hate poachers. Pure and simple.
The growing presence of these Olivia Munn types in the geek community is creating dialog that isn't helping anyone. You've no doubt heard about a young journalist named Ryan Perez who did something stupid. Really, really stupid. He "called out" Felicia Day on Twitter, asking if she really contributes anything to geek culture other than being a celebrity.
I believe that Felicia's main drive is probably writing and acting, and that geek culture is where she chooses to exercise her talents. She's found a niche, and she works within that niche – but so have Nathan Fillion, George Takei, Wil Wheaton... All actor/writers who make the most of their geek celebrity. However, no one gets it in their blood to call these guys out. So why Felicia Day?
It's because she's a girl, and some men are disgusting. Plain and simple.
Felicia Day is not a poacher. She's a celebrity, sure. She's a pretty girl, absolutely. The fact that she chooses geeky avenues to focus those interests? That makes her a geek. The fact that she spent her own money to make a successful independent video feature centered around World of Warcraft puts her into ubergeek territory. Not only does she put her money where her interests are, she creates things that further the community.
But then, you have these models-cum-geeks like Olivia Munn and practically every FragDoll. These chicks? Not geeks. I think that their rise is due to the fact that corporations are figuring out that geeks have money, and they want it. But they can't abide putting a typically geeky face on camera, so they hire models to act quirky and sell this marketable geekdom. So, I can understand why someone completely ignorant could look at Felicia Day and see a pretty woman who is making one heck of a career starring in roles celebrating fandom, and mentally file them along with the fake geek G4 hostesses. Ryan Perez is a shoddy journalist and failed to do any research.
He knee-jerked his way into temporary internet infamy. I think he was an idiot. But I can see why he bubbled over.
There's no doubt about it – girls in geek culture have it hard, and it's probably going to be that way for a long time. At least until men stop lusting after women (so, like, never). But that doesn't mean that women aren't welcomed and accepted in geek culture. Women elevate the culture, and thus, the content. And, I'll admit, you ladies are much nicer to be around.
However, you "6 of 9s" out there? You're just gross. There's an entire contingent of guys in geekdom who absolutely love you, because inside, they're 13 year old boys who like to objectify women and see them as nothing more than butts and a pair of boobs to be leered at. Have fun with them, and don't be shocked when they send you XBox Live messages with ASCII penises.
Those of us who actually like substance? We'll be over here celebrating great comics, great games, great art, great movies and great television, because we're actually attracted to a completely different body part: the brain.
A counterpoint from Genevieve Dempre posted here, and more from Peacock.
This just in – Hot girls move product. Always have, always will.
There are two kinds of men in this world. Men who drool over hot looking women desperate for attention and think they're great. And then there are the men that have the looks and money necessary and can actually have relationships with these vapid creatures (and have) and know just how awful they truly are to be around.
That's why you sneak out a 5am and never call them back.
Well said my friend.
Great article and POV. I'm an server admin, geek and a girl. I love my Star Trek, comics and gadgets. It is an interesting phenomenon that what was once geek is now becoming mainstream. The room is definitely getting crowded but all us true geeks will always be able to spot our own. *Geeky sense is tingling* ;-)
::fellow geek chick fistbump:: Right on, sister! :D
This article is simply terrible. The author comes off as preachy and arrogant, and tries to come off as knowledgeable.
He completely misses the mark. Please don't write more articles.
Poor. The premise of this article sounded fair at first. But it's not just the geek community (as if it's the only one) that gets hit by posers. This article very quickly degraded into one-sided personal attacks. It applauds people who have found their nitch in the geek community, but if someone finds another TYPE of nitch within that community, they are to be shunned. The two slam on Olivia Munn for example. She is a geek girl, but there is more to her talents, not to mention her career, than just a geek girl. So if people do not fit into your mold of what a geek is, then they have no business of even trying, is that right? There are words for people wo act like that...grow up!
The last time the world of Sci-Fi was invaded, it was by bunch of dudes. Olivia Munn is welcome in my world anyday!
Those girls are not there to boost their self esteem, how incredibly arrogant. They are doing a job that pays them, period. Like a bunch of geeks looking at them makes any difference to them at all. They know you are drooling and if they didn't have to smile at you, they would not.
He was not referring to actual Booth Babes, who are being paid to be there. He's talking about the 20 somethings who go to dragon*con, SDCC, NYCC, dressed in some skimpy outfit based off a game, and call themselves a geek, for the sole reason that if they own an Xbox, and have played WoW, then they're really geeks. Or, the girls that wear the fake nerd glasses just to get geeks and nerds to fall all over them... When in fact they'd rather go clothes shopping, shoe shopping, talking about which celeb is cheating on whom with whom, and what Paris Hilton is wearing.
At least SOMEONE understood the article. Hat off to you, sir :)
Curious, if you READ the article, the author refers to BOTH. He comments on the booth babe types as well as those that prance around and puts them both in the same bucket. The booth babes are trying to make a buck and simply don't care, and really shouldn't. The other hot girls are just watching the freak show, who doesn't like a good freak show. We all sometimes visit walmart or the local area mall just to people watch. These conferences, much like a ren. fair are fun to just watch the local participants in their element and to play halloween for a day. I think the author is simply wrong with all except for his defense of Felicia Day (who is a true geek and creative genius). Geeks become losers when they expect these "babes" to care about them or the material that they are interested in. Enjoy the view and the conference for what it is, a pretend world where you can pretend to all have the same carefree beliefs. When you go home, its back to reality.
If a woman bothers to learn enough about one of these geek fetishes to make a good costume around it, she is as geeky a woman as you are likely to find. Ask her out. Or quit whining about the girls you can't get because you don't respect them enough to talk to them. I can't get over how pathetic and simple-minded these arguments are against having beautiful women at your conventions.
Methinks some guy who cross dresses as a PowerPuff girl ain't such a great judge of female beauty. The rest is all whiny geekadizer bullcrap.
No one cares about this
That's hilarious....only a geek would complain about hot, half-naked girls hanging around! I may be a geek girl but GAH, those half-naked dumb girls would probably be a lot easier action for dweebs with no game.
Many boats have been sold because men were stupid enough to believe they had a chance with the show models.
So true, these same men think the girls at the strip club like them too.
"Primal 4 Life
So true, these same men think the girls at the strip club like them too."
–Hey, she winked at me!
I understand the author's point of view. Some men don't have a horndog's mentality all the time. And believe it or not, some of them resent the fact that women or marketers believe the only way to get to a man's wallet is his d*ck. The women that are offended by his blog post can't be offended if a guy or group of guys treat a woman like a piece of meat since that's what she's advertising.
I think alot of us guys are just offended they're trying to get to our wallets period, regardless of how. We're not there to 'sell to', where there to see their art (and yes, games are art). If we're impressed by their work, we'll buy it. They need to aim for our expectations for their product, not our wallet.
Haha...what a püssy. You are "offended" by a hot girl.
Oh dear, Lars got lost on the way to the gym again....
Actually that is the only way for a woman to get into my wallet. Why would there be any other way?
LOL!! OMG that was funny, thanks.
So it's not enough that we have racism and have been polarized by our religions, are we looking to create more divides? Real gamers or whatever they want to call themselves will know who these people are. Publishing this in the media is just creating another group to discriminate against. This article is pointless. If you see a "fake" geek girl, hit on her or move on. If you think they're insecure and you don't like them, move on. Why be pointing fingers?
Then real "geeks" complain because hot girls don't look at them. They're not satisfied anyways. Might as well see some hot cosplay than listen to your fat @ss complaining.
Why would you want to exclude anyone from taking part in something that makes you happy?
geeks make me happy, barbies pretending to be smart annoys me.
You mean "annoy" you. Sorry to point that out while you were pretending to be smart.
Us geeks should appreciate a smart, pretty woman on an intellectual level. Every time I see one, my brain gets as hard as a rock!
I believe Daniel Tosh (Tosh.0) said something like 'Olivia Munn prentended to play a video game once' on his show. I thought that was pretty funny.
this is the dumbest piece of sh... I have ever half read
Yup I think likewise fo you.
The nerd musican Shael Riley sums up this article in his song Hobby Model. http://shaelriley.bandcamp.com/track/hobby-model
All about girls that are hot with no substance
The problem is that too many men are becoming like women, feelings and such. Who cares if the hot chick is stupid, they are for fkgonly, just like a ferrari is for driving fast and lookin' good, not for taking to the grocery store or work. If you want a smart hot chick then be a smart hot guy otherwise stop wishing for something you weren't meant to have or just get a pro and pay for it like any normal ugly man would do. Everyone wants to be a superstar nowadays, so implausible.
This is absolutely genius. Thank you very much!
All of these people saying that "what is the problem with looking at hot women?"
The problem is that there are tons of women in the geek culture that are hot and would jump at the chance to dress up as video game/comic book/anime/manga/TV show character and present themselves and their knowledge to you at these cons. Why not use them rather than these models?
Harsh reality is probably because the real geek girls are NOT hot.
Because those women aren't hot? You may need to get your eyes checked there boy
Damn!! I better start studying up on my Eureka facts.
Now there is the opposite of this...like Fat people in costumes that just don't work...I will admit that. But these women already have costumes, pay for their hotel and ticket and they will probably be more than happy to make an appearance at your con as character whatever.
Sorry, I'm not really attracted to the vapid, black hole of need, type of women.
What the heck does that mean?
Reithena – I think he means that most women who see every convention as an excuse to dress as skimpy as they possibly can are insecure, needy, and need constant attention and validation. These girls are nice to look at but they're black holes who suck the life of you if you get into a relationship with them. I've been there.
Women who don't feel the need to play that look-at-me-look-at-me-look-at-me game are a he** of a lot more pleasant. They exist, but the "which character allows me to wear the least clothes in public" ain't them.
Scott, you can take comfort in the fact that we don't find you hot, either.
A lot of them have quite a few clothes on...but I get what your saying...but how are these models any different? My point is at least when asked a question about what is at the booth these girls could give you a better answer then talk to that person over there
Well Scott, thats a tradeoff some make.
Judging by most of Scott's replies...he wants a brainless trophy wife in life.
If that were true then they would do it. It isn't true so they don't.
Have you ever even been to a con?
You couldn't pay me to go to that garbage. Bottom line, chicks into that crap, are not the cream of the crop when it comes to hotness. No biggie, just the way it is.
At best they are a plan B at 2:00am.
You're loss if your really going to cut out a whole section of population.
Yeah sorry, no loss at all.
Realistically, I think con organizers probably hire models because models are people paid to do a job and then leave, rather then someone personally involved in the fandom. Using geek girls as models sounds like it would cause a lot of drama. ("why did they hire X and not Y?" "Why did they hire her and not me? I'm way hotter then her and she's not a real geek anyway!" "Why did they pick mostly gamer girls? They're discriminating against comic fans!") And on and on. It's easier for them to just ring up a modeling agency and have some anonymous, attractive women sent over then deal with that headache.
Maybe geek girls could work as con volunteers or something if they want to spread their knowledge? The organizers of these events are usually looking for help.
Reithena – Realistically, I think con organizers probably hire models because models are people paid to do a job and then leave, rather then someone personally involved in the fandom. Using geek girls as models sounds like it would cause a lot of drama. ("why did they hire X and not Y?" "Why did they hire her and not me? I'm way hotter then her and she's not a real geek anyway!" "Why did they pick mostly gamer girls? They're discriminating against comic fans!") And on and on. It's easier for them to just ring up a modeling agency and have some anonymous, attractive women sent over then deal with that headache.
A lot of smaller places do this. Otakon has a booth that welcomes all volunteers to work at least one four hours shift. You work the shift, you get a $40 gift card and a 15% discount off of what you want in their booth. Considering how large the booth is, you can have a field day. The fans appreciate getting honest reviews, have neat cosplayers involved(as long as the costumes aren't intrusive, my fiances's CL4TRP didn't work) and the volunteers enjoy swag and getting to know people they normally wouldn't.
No Scott. Many a geek girl is hot.
The 'problem' is that the geek girl likely has a hard degree.... and not one in journalism. And she isn't looking to be a model.
Haha...I don't have a hard degree per say...but I do have a very multi faceted degree...I need to know science and people which is always interesting. I still have no desire to be a model though.
girl on the left definitely a 6, girl on the right, solid 9... well done.
That's what you call a 9 Joe? Hilarious. Maybe a 2.
Poor girls. They get hired only for their looks and amiability and get nothing but criticism. The one on the right is definitely more than a 2. :)
That's what you call a 2, Steve? Hilarious. Maybe a -3.
See, being stupid is really easy.
So should the guys at car shows get mad about the models parading around who really know nothing about the vehicles there? Should guys be upset at the models at E3 or the Tokyo Game Show who know nothing about the games there?
Why is it the "geek" culture who seems offended by hot women? Intimidation? Inferiority complex? Small d1cks?
Hate to tell you, Udummy, I've been playing video games since the 2600, I collect comics, play battletech, shadowrun, MTG and rage quit on Diablo 3 on a regular basis. I'm one of the geeks that have been around forever.
I'm also a man who likes looking at hot women. I'm not "offended" if they pretend to be something they are not. I don't care, that's what women do. It's in their DNA. The "geek" culture is just the newest fad.
And it's funny how full circle we have come, the former outcasts now shun outsiders. GTFO.
You're an idiot
I would rather talk about the Diablo game at the convention than a chic who dressed up and is counting how many stares she can get or comments about her tush with nothing to add towards the development, overpowered characters or plotline. Especially if its a solfd out convention and then you have this mockery.
Not gonna lie...Played a little bit of D3 before uninstalling and putting D2 back in :D
Here's the best part, nobody is holding a gun to you telling you that you need to stare at or even talk to these girls. You can find thousands of like minded people who want to talk about the same things as you. It's not rocket science. They aren't hurting you, though they may be scaring you.
And if anybody loses out on a ticket because it's sold out deserves it because they didn't preorder well in advance.
There fault for not preordering in advance?? They shouldnt be there to begin with?? Why would you go to the NRA if you dont even own as much as a slingshot?
I aggree D3 took a turn for the worst :), truly a shame...once they started cutting the attack speed in half on the weps/rings I was done. You get murdered with mobs with WD, even with Zombie bears/Well of souls
If I'm at a car show, I'm there to see the cars... which can be hard to do when a women is spread out on the hood
Scott – truth is, many a car has been sold because some guy bought into the image that driving such a car would make him attractive and desirable to women like the paid model who hangs off his arm at the car show and giggles at him while he's checking out the vehicle. The same thing happens with paid models at boat shows and gun shows. The models don't actually give a crap about cars, guns, boats, or video games – or any of the men at the show. They're only at the show to make money on a job their agent probably got them.
Companies will stop doing this the second it stops working. But as long as so many men are stupid enough to fall for it, the models will be well worth the $100 bucks a day the company running the booth paid them.
Imagine how much more those hotdogs cost just because those women are holding them.... Cause as a guy I'm supposed to be like entranced by a pretty girl holding a dozen weiners...
This is why geeks are geeks. They take a good thing and blow it out of proportion and try to quantify it, categorize it, and ruin it. Just enjoy the view and shut up. You don't have to talk to them or look at them. Why does their presence irk you so much?
Your writing would probably be a lot stronger if you didn't spend 75% of your prose apologizing for your thesis. Seriously dude, *seven* paragraphs of apologies before you even begin to make your case?!? Really?
This is exactly why I hate spineless millennials and their pansy PC "I'm scared to offend anyone" crap. Grow a pair, wussy.
Before I say what I say, let my apologize for what I'm about to say, and also preface that I am a millennial myself so that I do not run the risk of anyone doubting the legitimacy of what it is I'm about to say, or the legitimacy of the apology that precedes what I'm about to say. I should I also say, that I do apologize for this entire explanation and having to apologize for having this apology, but you see – and forgive me if this is a back-handed apology – but we were raised in a culture of politically correctness encouraged upon us by our older siblings and parents – generation X'rs – whose sensitivity towards inclusiveness far outweighed their desire for matter-of-fact language. As such, we are our a generation who is afraid of reactions before there is any action – and often spend so much time preempting reactions that we often forget to ever take action... such as in this case, in which I've apologized so much that completely forgotten what it was I was apologizing for, and what it was I wanted to say.
Except that only happens when it is men talking about women. Yesterday I read a CNN article that was written by a woman basically alluding to her belief that all males are violent sociopaths because ONE guy cracked. I didn't see her throwing any women under that bus for PC or "equality" purposes.
This article still has me scratching my head. I enjoying staring at hot girls. And when I do, the las thing I'm thinking about is their ego.
When I was a kid, being a geek was something like being “in the closet.” If you wanted an active social life, you didn’t act geeky at my school. The first rule of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons was “you don’t talk about Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.” If you played Ultima Online, you made sure to make fun of those people in public, and if you, god forbid, played in the high school band, you either acted like your parents made you, or that you were into “band geek girls.” Magic: The Gathering was taboo, and if you ever turned down a group outing to play Nintendo at your friend’s house, you were ostracized from any group, ever.
This being said, there’s a line that has been used since I was a kid: “The Geeks shall inherit the earth.”
It appears that we may have.
People like Steve Jobs (love him or hate him, he is what he is), Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page, and even the tech-savvy President Obama paved the way for us. The geeks of yesterday are becoming the bosses and IT guys of today (and if you don’t think IT guys have power, let your computer freeze and be a jerk to the help desk, see how productive you are that day), and I for one, am ecstatic that those of us who were ignored or looked down upon by every other clique in school are finally getting our due.
The problem with fake geeks isn’t even really a problem! Think about it: GIRLS ARE PRETENDING TO BE GEEKY TO GET OUR ATTENTION! They are hoping to fit into our society now, rather than the other way around! Granted sometimes its done for the purpose of sales and advertising but that’s the best part about being geeky; most of us are smart enough to tell the difference between a sales person geek and a genuine, “please accept me as a geek” faker. Suddenly we are on top, not the cool crowd from high school, and it leaves me with a warm fuzzy for once.
Geeks and nerds everywhere rejoice: It’s hip to be a square!
The truth that the author really misses is that all women are like this. Your average woman has her looks to thank for about half the accomplishments in her life, luck is responsible for about 25%, generosity of family and friends for about 15% and actual work for the other 10%.....
Uhhh...sure...If you really think so...
I don't know what kind of women you see on a daily basis, but the average woman is entirely too busy busting her hump trying to get through the day to get home and either have some time to herself or take care of someone else. Most of the women I know, are too busy continuing their education, conducting research, or trying to make a good professional name for themselves to worry about how hot they look, and don't rely on anyone but themselves. Obviously, you associate with useless slags, but don't insult the rest of us by lumping us in there, too.
Your comment is 100% complete nonsense.
Ah, Scott, your misogyny is really showing now. I'm sorry you haven't been laid in 7 years (or ever?), but don't channel your anger at women.
You lost me here, guy.
I'm sorry you have no luck with the ladies. But if you're seriously meeting nothing but vapid females, maybe the problem is you. Either you're judgmental and are making unfair assumptions or you're just going to the wrong places and talking to the wrong women.
^^ So very much this.
you know what i hate? 310lb "guys" that dress like Powerpuff Girl .....From one geek to another... if you don't like looking at the hot girls, don't look. and personally a "guy" that dresses up as a "310lb Powerpuff Girl" makes me sick. no wonder you hate the hot women, geek or just model. I am sure you have no issues with all the "guys" that dress up as hot Anime Chicks. Shut up and let the rest of us geeks who like to look at hot girls enjoy our time, and please stop dressing as a 310lb Powerpuff Girl
You are the small percent, wanna look at hot chikcs...go do the geeky thing and look at pr0n at home after the convention. If I am at the convention, i am looking for like minded people o discuss the geeky thinsg the convention is built on!!. Not watch a bikini, fashion runway walk from chics who couldnt tell you the thing about any comic characters, technology or video game you play!
It is widely understood that at all types of conventions, some people are paid to do jobs that do not require them to know the "product". I used to do some convention modeling as a side gig. One day in heels on the convention floor paid better than a week at my "real job" that required a graduate degree in my field. Everyone at the conventions was privy to the arrangement: pretty girls done up to look like they belong are often paid to stand there. But most businesspeople at corporate trade shows (which is frankly what com-cons are) don't call the models out for being posers (or whatever clever lingo you have for "fakers"). What about the celebrities contractually obligated to be there whom you fawn over? Same thing. And calling these women "failed models" is also pretty lame since they are actually working as models. Believe me, those hot dog girls were well compensated. And the money made up for the awful men they had to deal with who later wrote inane, snarky blogs abou them! You should be happy that there are many beautiful "geek girls" to ask out and not whine about the girls you can't touch because they don't actually share your interests or understand the vast jargon of your subculture.
Are you kidding; this is on CNN web cover? On another note; Some pretty girls may pretend to be groupies just to get free back stage passes and see the band. I never heard a band complain. Chill out dude, you're a rock star, deal with it.
This is just another example of the various levels of nerds feeling that unless you are at their level of fandom you are not a true nerd. Why a guy would complain that some people who identify as comic fans who happen to be hot girls are not sufficiently nerdy is beyond me.
Sounds like nerds are starting to become like hipsters.
If so, I'm out.
I'd like to take Felicia Day out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again.
You Monster! Felicia Day is a Saint!
This article really caught my eye. I would not say that i am a geek, however i am not saying others would not call me a geek. The definition of a geek is as follows 1: (Not related to this subject) 2: a person often of an intellectual bent who is disliked 3: an enthusiast or expert especially in a technological field or activity.
In his article he obviously shows is bais and dislike for Olivia Munn, 'Booth babes' and Fragdolls. I am sure they have intellect, and obviously have some form of enthusiast in a intellectual or technological field. So by definition they and every one can be considered a geek !
Just becuase they were not interested in the same things, or a geek in the same way you are; does not mean in someone else eyes they are not a geek. They are beautiful, they have found a niche, some are celebrities, but by saying they are 'pretty girls pretending to be geeks for attention and beauty-obsessed, frustrated wannabe models who can't get work' is just as egotistical as the 13 yr old boys who think it's cool or funny to demean women for sport on.
I mean the whole article is pretty hypocritical. Sounds like someone needs to step up and be a man and not blame his insecruities on beautiful women, geek or not!
As a female (and I don't consider myself a geek) I am also frustrated by pretty girls pretending to be geeks. It's not just models either. I used to live with a group of girls who, around guys, would pretend to be really into video games. I lived with them for a year, there was not one single video game in our house. I never saw any of them play video games. Girls also do this with sports. They pretend to be interested in whatever they think will get attention from guys. Some people just need attention in any form. I hope more guys out there will realize/care when a girl is being fake.
Oh we do, this article blew a cover for Lars Babaganoosh below us. Taking away her business after she sucks nerds dry in her lair.
Its easy to tell when a woman is being fake... when she's not sleeping.
I like how you mentioned how geek art and culture is improving because women are willing to get paid to show off their goods to you in a convention. Quite the leap in nonsense.
They were actually mentioning that the girls flashing their goods were not contributing to the gaming industry. They were saying that the real girls who are actually interested in comics, games, and the like are the ones contributing. The ones who go and dress like they just walked in from a cheerleader car wash are the ones who AREN'T contributing and kinda just ruining it for everyone.
This is a great article; i'll take substance over looks any day of the week. As to the guys who think this article is somehow secretly about rejection; its not. Its about brainless drones who use my favorite things as a backup career and expect me to swoon over them just because they know what video games are.
Very well said.
PLEASE!!!! Dont run off the hot skimpy outfit chicks!!!! :-( being a geek is just getting good.
Trading Card #30, Felicia Day, Geek-A-Week Collection for the win.
Any man who complains about hot chicks in skimpy outfits is nothing short of a f4g.
Yup and the hot barbie types at conventions are leeches who would spread there legs for the word " shopping spree" on a database admins checking account.
And you complain about this? Good to know that men of the future don't like women.
No, we just arent hollow shells like yourself willing to bend over to whoever has the biggest bank accoutn and actually try to get to know each other, you know like a relationship and life partner? After your plastic jobs starts to sag and your face turns to a raisin, then the guy with the bank account will kick you to the curb at 45 for another smokin 20 year old. Niice life ey?
I like you, Udummy. ::fistbump of total agreement::
Wow. Uh, ok. How can I put this delicately. Every section of society has women who flaunt their appearance to get ahead (that is not that same thing as saying all women do that, or need to do that). So, they finally found your corner of the omniverse. You know what, relax. See if you can challenge them to a drinking game (hopefully involving a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster), but unlike Ford, I suggest you play to win, and whatever happens, happens.
Oh, and always remember where your towel is froods. And of course, Don't Panic
How are these women any different than women who take on the role of trophy wife? I missed your rant about those women. Is the geek community upset that they're now a part of the market for these women? Seems more like equal opportunity to me.
Billions around the globe live on less than $2 per day and this is what you think about. Maybe an examination of priorities should be a little higher on your list.
Right on mate!
you're completely right. We should just stop talking about anything in general because there are people starving somewhere. Great logic
You are absolutely right (NOT), people should only write stories about all the poor people, and all the hard times that exist in this world. Just the same thing over and over again. That was sarcasm if you didn't pick up on it. Not all news is bad, I mean if all of the news is bad then why bother getting up again. their are all kinds of people with all kinds of hobbies and things that they like in this world. What is wrong with someone writing an article about something he feels strongly about. Oh, wait, I see. Everyone should think and act like you so we can have a monochrome, static world with dull boring replicants walking around all thinking, saying, and doing the exact same thing as everyone else. (Did you notice the sarcasm again?) Boring!
Also, I don't think buying and selling collectables is poaching. For instance, I am a huge comic fan and buy both novels and collectivles like marvel legends when I see them at a discount to what i think its worth. Years later, if I see these items on ebay for far more than they are worth, I would sell them. I'd encourage everyone to set their own prices and value items this way, that is how capitalism works. The problem is on the demand side, if people didn't pay outrageous prices the sellers would lower their price. Blame the trust fund babies, not the guys willing to let go of their marvel legends juggernaut for $75 on ebay so they can pay their rent.
The issue wasn't about picking up some cheaper items to resell later, it's about buying out the market to force the price up. Like what people do with hot toys at christmas time. You buy ALL of the hottest child's toy so nobody else can buy them at the store and then you resell your stash of 20+ toys for a 100% markup.
You missed the point, like you said, you are a "collector." the author is talkig about non-collectors that see something that they can make a profit on and buy oit soley for the purpose of making more money. he is talking about a person with money who buys out the entire stock or as much as he cans and turns around and immediately sells it at a profit which means that when you want to "collect" that same item you will have to pay a premium. You are right though, that is what capitalism is, but capitalism only benifits those who have "capital" in the first place. If you are a hard working slug like 99% of the population capitalism is not always your friend.
heh ... he said "bone fide"
You know what? If the author is so angry about models who know nothing about the product they're promoting doing the job they're paid for, maybe he need to ask himself why these women are being paid to do this in the first place? Don't blame the models, they're just doing their job. Blame the culture that enforces the idea that women are there only to be looked at (see many of the comments in this post, for example) and that "geek culture" is a boys-only, never changing club.
If, on the other hand, he's angry because the women at the cons (who are not models and are not being paid to be there) happen to be increasing in numbers and yes, some actually look good and no, don't have the same interests as he does, maybe he needs to have a long hard look at why these women (yes, even the pretty ones in batman shirts!) are at cons in the first place. Paying to go to a con implies that you're going for your own enjoyment, therefore there are things there that appeal to you. If those things don't match up with what the author sees as "true geekiness", then maybe he needs to stop being such an outdated and pedantic elitist and accept the fact that "geek culture" is changing to accommodate more than just white male elitists.
His point is good. And the one poster who said "made at doing a job they are paid for", he is not talking about them. He is talking about the random girls that just put on a geeky shirt to get more attention. Read the article before you post please.
Did you read the second half of my comment at all?
Also, how do you know these girls are putting on the shirt just to get attention? Have you developed some kind of psychic powers? As I said before, surely paying to go to the con means that they are doing this for their own enjoyment.
This post sounds an awful lot like the whole "Nice Guy" fallacy playing out. See more here: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_guy_syndrome
I am a woman who is not a "geek" and I thought he addresses as all the stuff you talk about.
1. corporations hire hot women to cater to the immature guys that will still pay attention and buy products based on the models' looks. And some girls come on their own for the attention. You can blame society, but they are adults and are purposely going there for attention. They probably go other places, too, but the author is annoyed they are on his turf when he just wants to be around people with common interests.
2. He also specifically says that he knows and appreciates "real" geek women and that they help to further and broaden the art.
basically, I think he distinguishes pretty clearly between women who are really into the events and comics, etc and the "6 of 9s" (which is why he gave them a nickname), so if you were REALLY trying to comprehend what he was saying it's not that hard, if you're not being super-defensive.
Hate to break it to you, Joe, but we've been around fandom for decades.
I once was one of the 'pretty' girls at conventions, 20+ years ago. I've always been a gamer (just not a video one) and into scifi. I tend to run things at non profit conventions on the east coast.
And to every one else, it's really an urban legend that geeks don't get laid. It's always been one. It was never our reality.
really? i don't know what it's like being a "geek" or a "babe", but you my friend have your head up your xbox. you think you've been judged your whole life by what your actions, well the same goes with everyone. who are you to judge someone else by what they look like or where they want to spend their time. feel lucky that you are in the room with beautiful women and maybe, just maybe, you crawl out from your mamma's basement and actually talk to a live person, not someone on a screen. might change your life.
your comment shows that you didn't understand what the author was talking about.
why does he need to feel good that a "pretty girl" is paying attention to him? He DOESN'T WANT a FAKE girl to ACT like she's interested in him or comics just to boost her own self esteem. He has already said there are plenty of pretty girls who are actually into the stuff and is annoyed by the ones that aren't who come to the events (or are hired) because they think they will be worshipped as hot chicks even though they don't even care about comics, gaming, anime, sci-fi, etc.
The author feels there are some women who are infiltrating the group, trying to get attention based on their looks due to their personal insecurities, and would rather just have people around (male/female, hot/ugly) that are actually into what ComicCon and other types of events are all about and are emotionally and mentally attached to it. I don't get what's so hard for people to understand about that.
Act-sshually, the Cyclops Overlord has thirty-FIVE strength, not thirty. Huzzah, extremely attractive female in a catwoman outfit, I have bested you again!
Geek chicks are so freaking hot.
LOL at the geek who is a snob and elitest turd. Who cares who dresses like what and what they do with their lives. First, nobody cares about you, second, nobody but you cares about them.
Here's what you need to know about women. They have something between their legs that you really, really want. The only chance you have of getting to it is if they are around. Regardless of what little shot you have with the "6 of 9" crowd, the fact that they are at where you are at means you have a chance, no matter how slight. Be thankful that a girl you would never, and the Rock means EVER have a shot with out on the street decides to plop a few bills on a batman shirt and show up at a convention you are at.
The "6 of 9"'s are desperate for attention, meaning they will wh0re themselves out. Get in on that rather than act insulted by it. Unless you are a flaming f4g, which I'm beginning to think you are.
Yup then she sees a kevin klein model with washboard abs, goes googly eyes and dumps you faster than you can ask why. MMhmm, great relationship advice. Dont you have a gym membership to use?
LOL, sounds like somebody has gotten ditched for the big boys more than once in his day. Man up and quit being that "nice guy" that you think girls want. Doesn't matter if you are Ryan Reynolds or Ryan Stiles, if you act like a man, they'll give it up. The last thing they want is to date a guy who is really a girl in disguise. Act like you have a pair.
And im a "dude" missy.
Good now your thinking, maybe there is something rattling up there afterall. You looking for masculine man?? Geek conventions arent really the place to look, try a gym, some cheerleader camps you know the "popular" places.
Dear author, high five.
Sounds like someone went to Comicon and got rejected.....while his nerd buddies went to pound town.
A lot of the girls who wear super-skimpy cosplays to conventions full of socially awkward dudes are just doing it because they love having eyes on em and love being desired. The chick who dresses as Chloe from Uncharted or something, probably not. The chick who dresses as Ivy from Soul Caliber, probably. Showing as much skin as possible on any faint excuse is usually a big symptom of the dreaded Attention Wh**e Disase. These girls may be hot, but they're more trouble then they're worth because that ego constantly requires tribute. Trust me. Speaking from experience here.
Booth babes are just there for the paycheck. Enjoy the view and don't hate.
TBH, the vast majority of the legit gamer girls and geek girls I have met are kinda cute but not really "hot". Lots of slightly chubby girls with glasses and dark hair.
I love chubby girls with glasses.
Then the geek world will make you a happy man.
So having dark hair means you can't be hot?
Right tell that to Megan Fox, Olivia Munn, most Brazilian chicks. You're lame.
Didn't say no hot girls have dark hair. I said that "slightly chubby, dark hair, glasses" is an archetype most legit geek girls seem to fall into. Those three things together.
And hey, just because chubby girls with dark hair and glasses aren't my thing doesn't mean they're nobody's. Some guy already commented before you and said he was into them. Different strokes and all that.
Nerds or not, I would give those two a wiener any day.
What does it matter? If some skimpy dressed hoe wants to dress up and serve hot dogs so I can demean her... why not? I don't buy things because a hot girl is there, they are just wall decorations. Paid servants. Peasants of the modeling world and failures in their own right... Ahhh but now, whose judging who. The modeling world sucks, I couldn't imagine sucking someone off to actually move my career up. Modeling at comic-con or whatever, it's just another means for them to get their foot in the door.
It's just where two industries collide.
Stop being so harsh and hurt by hot wall decorations. Women are women, we do to them what they do to us. They can take it or they wouldn't be at the events, men can take it because they wouldn't be there either if they couldn't.
seriously, this article is the worst. you really are a geek if you're complaining that there are more hot girls walking around at these conventions then there used to be. what's the problem here? of course these girls wouldn't give you the time of day, it's not what they're there for. you should be so lucky to even be in a place where you can actually see them, because I'm sure they're not lining up on your doorstep to play dungeons and dragons. and frankly wouldn't you rather see a gorgeous wonder woman than an ugly orc or something? just lighten up and enjoy the view
Jagger, you just don't get it. We want a girl with a soul. You brute jocks mock us because we don't immediately want physicality. You put us down and pity us for not going for the obvious. You don't get it, and you won't be happy until you grow out of your frat boy philosophy. We want personality. I would take personality over looks any day. Looks are a distant second. You mock us because we pass on superficial bimbos and search for women with substance. You say we're nerds in a basement, but you are the one willing to pounce on any hot thing that moves. Which one of us is desperate again?
Most of the girls who wear super-skimpy cosplays to conventions full of socially awkward dudes are just doing it because they love having eyes on em and love being desired. The chick who dresses as Chloe from Uncharted or something, probably not. The chick who dresses as Ivy from Soul Caliber, probably. Showing as much skin as possible on any faint excuse is usually a big symptom of the dreaded Attention Wh*re Disase. These girls may be hot, but they're more trouble then they're worth because that ego constantly requires tribute. Trust me. Speaking from experience here.
You missed the point entirely. The reality is that there is no such thing as a trophy wife,girlfriend, etc. Only the high income trophy husband. Most geeky and nerdy guys still have a fairly high income poential- that is what the poachers are after.
There's no such thing as a trophy wife or a trophy girlfriend? You think wealthy dudes never deliberately seek out eye candy? Dude, reality. Visit it.
You are talking about a purchased commodity, which is exactly my point
I think those situations are usually more of a mutually symbiotic situation. Most rich guys are smart enough to know that the hot girl only wants his wallet – and he's okay with that, because he has plenty of money to throw around and he wants a hot wife. Most hot girls are smart enough to know that the rich guy only wants her body – and she's okay with that, because putting out's not painful and she wants money.
The guy and the girl in that situation both know exactly what's going on the majority of the time. Every now and then you get some tragically naive rich guy who thinks the playboy bunny really "loves" him, or some tragically naive hot girl who is an easy target for any guy. But most of the time, eyes are wide open on both ends.
Awww. Whats wrong, they found out there "cool" football jock boyfriend is now flipping burgers because he cant get a good job due to one too many hits to the head during practice?? They chose there road, acting like a barbie airhead still doesnt change anything. Gold diggers...period.
This belongs to the CNN homepage?
This guy got the terminology wrong. A geek is someone who is very technically knowledgeable and programs computers, games, game systems, etc. A NERD is someone who obsessively PLAYS the games or uses the computer. Geeks write code, nerds use the code.
Nerds are more interested in academia. Geeks are more interested in gadgets and fandom. Technically a nerd is more likely to be the one with the programming degree making the games. Geeks are more likely to be the ones manually tinkering with computers and knowing the story/strategy details in depth. Programmers are starting to identify themselves with the word "geek" because it is becoming more socially acceptable for some reason and considered a positive trait while "nerd" is still seen as negative.
The end of the world has come; pretty girls acting like geeks for attention and the geek are offended.
Rightfully so, if a geek were to walk in to a playboy modeling shoot, they would be ostracised the same.
I'd take the old skin boat to tuna town or take her for a ride on the wild baloney pony or maybe put the hot dog in the bun if you know what I mean!!
Just say "no" to fake geek guys who wear glasses and watch anime because it's "cool" all of a sudden. Where were half these people 10 years ago when people who played D+D and watched Ja panese cartoons were considered "uncool"?
So you're all for expanding the genre to girls but only under your terms? How many of the current true nerdy girls got involved because their boyfriends liked it? They didn't like it at first, but they went along with it and pretended to like it just to make him happy. Then they found out it was actually pretty cool. Isn't it possible that could happen with models as well?
How much did Felicia pay to have thi slant written for her? Women follow the money and when they become born again virgins Geeks are easy targets.
Honestly, as a geek girl I'm not even sure what to think of this article. You admit to a lot of problems we face in geek culture and there are a LOT of them, not even those you mention, and then you go and slam the girls you think are there just to look pretty. The fact of the matter is you don't know WHY they are there, so you can take your judgement and shove it up your joystick, okay?
ARTICLE TRANSLATION: "None of these smoking hot women will, or have ever, given me the time of day. Therefore I am giving my very busy and satisfying hand a rest and writing thiis....."
Haha well put. I like the translation more than the article.
HA! I *knew* the G4/Attack of the Show women were fake! They SCREAM "I'm not a geek but I play one on TV". I don't think the author is saying who can and can't be a geek, I think he's calling out the people who in many cases are very clearly pretending they're there because they genuinely like geek culture. As a woman, I totally understand that "6 of 9" mentality that he's talking about (speaking of which, we all know that 7 of 9 was put on Voyager in that suit for geek fanservice). It's echoed in that "Queen for a Year" mentality in the military – with the ratio of men to women deployed to Korea so high, ANY woman will be sought after like a queen for a year.
Rambling now, but the point is that deliberately going to a convention you don't like to hang around people you don't like just so they will drool all over you (in many but not all cases) is kind of a d*****y thing to do.
GREAT post. I am in the military and have been to korea many times and seen the "queen" for a year effect. Good post!
Completely agree with the G4 girls assessment, olivia munn, candace bailey, and sara underwood have basically no clue what they're talking about, just reading from a prompt. I get that its a job to probably make ends meet for them but I would much rather have someone more legit like morgan webb or blair butler on the tube, resulting in a more genuine experience
This is some of the dumbest editorial garbage I've ever read. No surprise after browsing the other trash this guy has written. Seriously, did any of you click on his other links? A bunch of poorly written, self glorifying garbage. How does this crap get approved for CNN??
Yup, good thing you took the time you just wasted, that could of been productive, into writing a baseless comment.
Those girls are there to be looked at. Enjoy the sight of a pretty girl and move on. I don't care what I'm doing or where I'm at, if there is a hot girl around then I'm very ok with that. I think the problem here is you think you have to go up and talk to her and give her attention. You think that since a hot girl is around you have to do something. STOP. If a girl is doing what you are saying she is doing, then don't give her the time of day. But she is there to be an object, so treat her like one. Look at her and make man jokes with your friends when she's not in earshot about the things you would do to her. But don't think you need to do anything else. Sorry, but I just can't agree with someone who thinks having a hot girl around is a bad thing. I think you need to change your frame of thinking and realize she is an object, so treat her like one. You don't go around saying how much you hate tables that have geek table covers on them, right? It's because they are objects meant for one use. If a girl is doing what you say she is doing, then she is giving the ok to treat her as an object. So, enjoy the "table covers" and move on.
Wow, women as objects huh? You must still be stuck in the 1900's
Sadly women are objects and they work very hard to make sure men look at them as such.
Hey, why don't you talk about how women are nothing but objects a little more?
I think the author would be better served by not viewing geekdom as some sort of exclusive club. Instead if he regarded these "models" as opportunities to meet someone new and see that they have the same insecurities, wants and needs as anyone else then he is likely to find new recruits. Learn to make them laugh, learn to help them open up or learn to ignore them and get on with your thing, it's an opportunity to learn.
While I agree with your sentiment Barry, I also agree with the writer. As a self professed "geek", most of these women wouldnt give me the time of day during school. Now that people like me have a venue that is profitable and has huge gatherings, they want to try to get in on the action? I say no way. I would say just ignore them. Or ask them nerdy questions...their brains are usually on empty anyway.
It isn't an exclusive club, it just sucks to have people there that don't care about the culture at all. It's like the guy who says he's a huge Patriots fan just because they win, then switches to another team at the first sign of weakness.
You know what your interests are, be true to them. Unless that interest is being an attention w hore, then GTFO.
This is a problem how? I don' think hot babes hanging around seems too traumatic. Hopefully they will not be emotionally scarred.
This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. What kind of "geek" are you that you feel you're so high up on a pedestal you get to decide who's interested in the culture and who's not? There's this big divide in geek culture where, particularly us women, are told to differentiate between who DESERVES to be part of the culture and who doesn't.
Putting together an intricate cosplay seems like a pretty big indicator that a girl, WOMAN, has at least some interest in her source material. And if that blossoms into more, you should be happy. If anything, this is why so few women are interested in the genre. It's like you have to pass a test to be admitted.
This is the most disgusting article I've seen on CNN in a long time. Get over yourself.
Did you read the article? He likes the girls who are actually interested in the culture. It's the ones who have no interest, that only show up for photo ops, that he dislikes. Go take a deep breath, re-read the article, and then gfy.
Yeah. I read it. Thanks. Maybe you should read my actual comment. There is no "us" and "them". And who does this guy think he is that he gets to decide which geek girl is the real deal? How does he know that a girl only shows up for photo-ops? Because she happens to be hot?
My problem with the article is that deciding a girl doesn't belong is elitist and stupid, regardless of whether she appears to have substance or not.
Just stop. He specifically mentioned that this did NOT include hot chicks who are involved and interested. He is saying that a batman teeshirt doesn't make you a geek.
Did you take your meds today?
Fortunatly there are a sect of true geek booth babes out there. The d20 girls will show up in costume and talk your ear off on their geekdom of choice(personally my big one is MMOs. I play a bunch, but I have been known to dabble in anime, tabletop rpgs, M:TG, and Star Trek)
Olivia Munn's done more for mankind than you as the author of a really badly written article. You sound like a 13 year old who's mad because he mistook a girl's friendship for romantic interest, asked her out to ice cream, and got shot down horribly. You give real geeks a bad name.
"bone fied" ??? Really?
Nerds complaining that REAL hot chicks are showing up at their conventions? Get over yourselves. You should be happy the eye candy shows up at all.
Another comment by a meat head that didn't read the article.
I'm kind of horrified to see this kind of meanness in writing from a fellow "geek". This is pretty harsh, judgmental, elitist and frankly kind of sad. I am a woman, and have always been a "geek" – even before it was "cool" and one of the things I really liked about geekdom is that it used to be a culture of acceptance, and substance over surface. This article sounds like high school – putting other people down and calling them "gross". I think this article is "gross".
badass comment.... kudos
THANK YOU. This turned my stomach.
Funny you should say that. Have you ever been beat up because you spent most of your time in front of a computer and not on the football field in high school? No? Have you ever been turned down by a hot girl only to see her date the thug of the moment or the jock of the moment? No? Ever had a girl laugh at your glasses or the books you were carrying? No? And you tell me those same type of girls, who dont know the culture, couldnt name any of the good movies we watch, have no science knowledge, then come around in bathing suits and low cut blouses and expect to be accepted as nerds? Really?
As a young person I experienced plenty of the type of immature (and often ruthless) judgement by my peers you are talking about. I certainly don't want to pass it along to others, because doing so wouldn't make me feel better in any way. As an adult I fly my geek flag with pride and I'm happy. Don't you see the hypocrisy in having these barriers for "accepting" people if the experiences you had not being accepted were so terrible?
^ I aggree, these chicks foudn out there jock boyfriend cant support himself let alone his HS sweetheart and they are out on the prowl to leech off of success. yeah off to the curb to you...reminds me of the movie Bad Teacher
Pics, or GTFO!
More hard hitting news from CNN.
IT'S. A. BLOG.
Seriously...who are you people that are so dumbfounded by the world that you get lost on a WEB SITE? Do you meander into rest rooms and yell at people for urinating and defecating in there, too?
The xbox live part cracked me up. Part of what makes griefing in COD so much fun!
This article needs more pictures.
Uh..huh....He said "Bone" fide.
auhor is definitely a geek. whining about hot girls in very little clothing. just ogle them and move on!
You can see she is fake. No pocket protector pinned to her boobs.........
As a true geek chick (tech, gamer, comic, and cosplay) and repeat "booth babe" that wasn't a moron... thank you! I can honestly say I always had a crowd at my booth, not because I was the hottest booth babe (far from it... I'm all natural, with the exception of my costume and hair :) ) but because when someone would ask me about things, I could respond intelligently! I knew how to talk, I knew how to lead the crowd, and people could tell I wanted to be there for the culture, not because I was getting paid! I was always happy to answer questions from anyone asking them, and yeah, we had some epic debates... which seemed to never happen at some booths. You could always tell in the first couple of hours which "models" were going to be asked back for additional cons.
There are more important things in life. The issue should be why is this sensational article redirecting the attention of the masses on something so trivial. CNN appears to have transitioned from a major national headline source of hard news toward sensationalism with the specific purpose of gaining more readers. It's yellow journalism. Opinion oriented news and humanist articles.
And yet here you are "reading" and then pontificating on the article, ignoring the reams of serious news articles on the front page. Do you want some applause for that performance?
It's important to me. I'm a geek who can't get a girlfriend :(
Awww..don't worry...there are plenty of geek girls in the sea. You'll find one in time :)
I liked the article. Not at all substantial, but I fwded to my Wife and maybe FINALLY I will no longer be made fun of for my love of Comic Con
There are so many BS blogs out there, but out of all the BS blogs, this was well written and a break from all the bad news in the world.
And I am one of the good looking comic con guys ;) actually for real I am :)
Dude, it's an OP-ED, not breaking news. CNN publishes tons of opinion pieces (most of them are conveniently labeled "opinion" for folks like you), and obviously lots of people like reading them. If you have not yet passed 8th grade English, then it's not your fault that you can't tell the difference. If you have, then you should be very angry with your school.
YES! Thank you. I am so tired of CNN commenters who blast op-eds for not having hard news in them!
U guys are nuts... pretty girls wanna hang out with you, and you find a reason to not like them or run them off. Good thinking!!
And Felicia Day is pretty but not a supermodel... I can see where she could be a real geekgirl. Lighten up, guys
Because "pretty" doesn't last and has no value anyway. True geek girls are interesting and have ideas of their own. They aren't just primping themselves waiting for a geek boy to pay their bills. The most attractive geek girls are the ones not plugged into the beauty culture at all. They define themselves by their intelligence and personality, not by eye shadow and hot pants.
If my heart did not already belong to another geek...you would have had it...well said my good sir!
This. <3 geek boys. You, sir, done good.
Oh Kevin, pretty DOES last and has value. If you'd rather be ugly than pretty, stand up and let me see your stupid face.
Besides the stereo types. Men actually want to find woman whom they can relate on a personal level. The stated women in these events will not actually give most of these guys the time of day, they just are in it for the Ego boost. Which hurts the guys there who hope they can find Beauty and someone they can click personally with. Having someone come in try to turn a guy on, just so they feel good that someone is attracted to them, and then just drop em. Is very cold hearted
This is making pretty enormous assumptions about women you don't know at all.
you're exactly right Todd. and Jolene, take a hike. I dont know if your one of these conceited girls trying to ego boost off these guys (im not a nerd or comic fan) but their is no excuse for petty behaviour. women have wayyyyy to much manipulative power.
That's the whole thing, these "pretty" girls are really there to "hang out". They are only there for a pay check or to get guys to ooogle them. They could care less about the culture around them. They are selfish to the point it's still all about them. That's disenginuine and fake.
It's a JOB. Of course they are there for the paycheck. If I didn't get paid, I wouldn't turn up at work either.
Many words to describe some narcissists, and guys that look at them.
Case in point, Felicia Day. Some poor blogger lost his job a few weeks back for suggesting the same thing, but sady, he was absolutely correct. She's making bank by being an utter poseur.
Wow, not only did you miss the entire point of the article, it's fairly obvious you read nothing more than the opening paragraph.
Felicia Day was home-schooled throughout much of her childhood, was a National Merit Scholar in 1995, and began college at 16. Day was accepted to the Juilliard School of Music but chose to attend the University of Texas at Austin on a full scholarship in violin performance. She double majored in mathematics and music performance, and graduated as valedictorian of her class.
Day may be best known for her work as "Vi" on the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer and for parts in movies such as Bring It On Again and June, as well as the Internet musical, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. She is also the star, script writer and producer of the original web series The Guild, a show loosely based on her life as a gamer– she is also an avid player of a wide variety of video game genres.
She also starred in the Dragon Age web series Dragon Age: Redemption, which she wrote, and is a member of the Board of Directors of the International Academy of Web Television.
The rest of her geek-oriented work is too long to list.
Oooo, geek wars!
Yes, poseur. She's pulled the wool over your eyes, obviously.
I respect her on the fact that she's got a degree in math alone. As a fellow STEM graduate (B.S. in Computer Engineering), I salute her!
I rather like a booth babe that a fake "geek girl",plenty of "KIRF GG" around us they are. Booth babes know they are being fake or used. Kirf geek girls try way to hard , get annoying.
you mad bro?
What a beautiful, beautiful blog post! I consider myself one of those "geek girls that happen to be pretty". I am a video game design student and I have been gaming ever since I could hold a controller. I enjoy every aspect there is in "geek world". It's quite hard to get along (as you explained very well), but I rejoice in people that know the difference between the two types of girls in geek community. I salute you, Sir!
If you define yourself by your intelligence and personality and goals and accomplishments and quirky creativity, rather than your looks and how you rate in the beauty culture, I salute you! Too often I hear about women who are seeking a geek man not because we are interesting, but because we have earning potential. Advice to women: Be a real, complete person on your own terms instead of wanting a man to make you complete and pay the bills. If you strive to be a complete person, relationships will happen because you want them to happen, not because you need them to happen. Big difference that can help you lead a more fulfilling life.
a self claimed pretty geek girl eh. I'd never acknowledge myself as goodlooking only if I was looking for a ego boost. I may be goodlooking, I may be hidious, whats the difference? missed the point completely.
These girls are nothing more than eye candy and outside of their "modeling" careers will have nothing to do with you. Geek girls are not vacuous!
There is nothing wrong with wanting someone good-looking. Sheesh. How does having eyeballs and good taste take away from being a geek? If making mean comments about pretty boys and girls that aren't like you is what geeks like to do, bring on the vacuous poseurs.
I have been going to cons for years. I like my Country singers to be drunks that have real world issues, I want my rappers to be gangsters and I want my geek girls to be REAL geeks. It is not that hard to ask for integrity in the things that I am into.
It takes a true geek about five seconds to figure out if the person he or she is talking to is stupid or not. They don't need an article.
Dumb article. Get a life.
Yeah, people who have opinions are dumb.
this is front page news?
Any man who will call women out for attention-whoring, rather than encouraging it for the sake of his own shallow physical pleasure, gets my eternal respect. I now have hope.
Geeks have tons of money. Pretty fake girls go where there is money. This is a surprise?
Often times they are SENT where there is money. That's one problem with attention from ladies for sale, you stop being able to tell after a point who wants you and who is pretending to like what you do to remove one of those dollars from your pocket. Makes it hard to get out of the game and have someone in a relationship when you want, even for a break no less for longer.
Aside from the fact that no ace of geeks can go around deeming others worthy of the label, there are a number of factors in play here. For one, the geek culture has long been a boys' club, and some geeks apparently resent the fact that girls are part of it now; the same thing happens among the white collar set when women start joining country clubs and golf tournaments – in a juvenile sense, it's like girls have made their way into the tree fort.
Secondly, geeks have long perceived themselves as outsiders who bonded together because they felt rejected by society and hopeless with women, connecting to each other because of shared insecurity as well as shared interests, so when a poser comes along with insincere flattery, it feels like being mocked, teased, or used.
Third, there is a distinction to be made between a booth girl/spokesmodel and a self-proclaimed geek girl. Advertisers and promoters use hot girls to sell just about everything, and not all those models love all the products they hawk at us, be they beer, cars, gadgets, women's cosmetics, or breakfast cereal.
Fourth, just like any social circle, geeks resist change to the status quo and are wary of new members until they prove themselves, and just like any large group, everybody is not going to get along and agree all the time. Geeks generally love to argue and debate about EVERYTHING – console vs PC, console A vs console B, which control mapping is better, book vs movie vs remake, and so on. So why would the sudden appearance of many attractive women be any different?
Finally, whether you want it to be or not, geekiness is a trend as well as a subculture, and that geek chic trend is hot right now. In that sense, these hot poser chicks are not vying for attention from actual geeks, but they are trying to fit in and be popular in mainstream society. This is the real geek's moment to shine, so enjoy it.
Uh, geek culture is not about feeling "rejected by society and hopeless with women". Maybe nerd culture was 20 years ago, but geek culture is a celebration of thirst for knowledge and of enjoying quirky intellectual and philosophical pursuits outside of popular culture. Media has noticed this subculture and that geeks have money, so they're trying to monetize it, but they don't understand it because it isn't about money and power, which are the only things media understands.
Seriously? geek or Nerd we were alwyas rejected. Don't try to tote your high and mighty crap by saying we 'celebrate' quirky intellectual and philosophical pursuits? IN WHAT? Comics, movies, Toys? Sure! But don't dare sit there and try to make yourself or anyone else look like you're better than everyone becuase we geeks pursue intellectual and philosphical pursuits!
If you have a lightsaber in your room then you're a geek or a nerd, period! If you have a minimalist environment in your humble abode, then you're an intellectual. Intellectual's are BORING geeks and nerds are awesome!
For god's sake, go watch "Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World" that's the most awesome geek/nerd movie i've seen since "Revenge of The Nerds".
Sorry, dude. The majority of geeks are hopeless with women and have a history of social rejection and being bullied. Like it or not, banding together for solidarity is a big part of geek culture.
I think you are mistaking "geeks" for "hipsters."
On an unrelated note, I think 7 of 9 is still a 10, real world or not.
And here I though 7 of 9 was a Star Trek Voyager character...
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